<p>Xiggi- passed along the article link.
Thanks for all the great information. It looks like it will be a chore finding housing and wherever she ends up it will take a huge chunk of her take home pay. She wants to take a car, have her dog, live alone, not spend a fortune and not spend over an hour commuting. She will have to come to the conclusion on her own which items she is willing to be flexible on. Her last position spoiled her with housing, meals, housekeeping and laundry service.
She is not like many of the young adults who desire to live in the bay area. For her it is the job that is driving the move.</p>
<p>My daughter lives in manhattan. West side. Talk about high rents. But for her close commute trumped all. Her place is small. She shares. But the convience of walking to work makes up for no car, small room, having a roommate. </p>
<p>Working in a city like San Francisco, washington ec, Boston, NYC, Chicago, it’s going to be about compromise. Can’t have it all. We live in the sunset in San Francisco. Sure it’s foggy, but not driving over a bridge everyday makes it worth it. We also have oodles of parking. Driving isn’t that awful. But I do take public transportation often. Or walk. It’s hilly city, but man oh man the views. </p>
<p>As for the fog, hey, it’s seldom too not or too cold. You can bike pretty much all year, walk the dogs all year…</p>
<p>It’s also a big city for zip cars. For periodic out of town trips or shopping.</p>
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Surely this is a typo. Your son has a grandson?? I am guessing its his son/your grandson as you have mentioned before.</p>
<p>Did anyone answer if they still have those drive-up-stand-and wait-for-a-ride-instant-carpool things to get across the bridges? </p>
<p>When we visited we spent time in SF and had a great time. Also spent time in Berkeley (4th st was adorable) and Elmwood and they were charming. Agree that when she figures out priorities she’ll be able to narrow down the housing search. Good luck!</p>
<p>A recent article in SF paper on housing situation among new entrepeneurs/startup hopefuls…</p>
<p>[Startup</a> dreams meet pop-up rentals - SFGate](<a href=“Startup dreams meet pop-up rentals”>Startup dreams meet pop-up rentals)</p>
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<p>While it is true SSF, Daly City, Coma, San Bruno has fog, but it is mostly in the mountains west of El Camino Real. The BART station area is less foggy. Brisbane is nice, but lack of public transportation.</p>
<p>My sister has lived in the Mission for thirty years. My daughter has lived with my sister for a year now. I’ve visited her house a lot of times. I felt much more unsafe in parts of Boston.</p>
<p>Let’s define “unsafe” before making assumptions.</p>
<p>Here’s one of several available crime maps for San Francisco:
[San</a> Francisco, CA Crime Map - Showing Crimes in San Francisco - Crime Statistics, Alerts and Reports - Crime Stops Here](<a href=“http://www.spotcrime.com/ca/san+francisco]San”>Crime in San Francisco - San Francisco, CA Crime Map | SpotCrime)</p>
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<p>Yes, it is a typo. I meant to write “his son” but I guess I wrote “grandson” because that is how I think of the little guy. I also have a habit of mixing up my two kid’s names when I talk to them, even though one is male and one is female, I have known both of them for more than two decades, and I named them. Mea culpa.</p>
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<p>“Unsafe” is defined by gang territory lines. I stand by what I said. If someone wants to rent in the area and wants to send me a PM with street address, I’ll be glad to offer info.</p>
<p>I mentioned that my son & I were near-witnesses to a shooting a few years ago. If our BART train had arrived 5 minutes earlier, we would have been on the block where the young man was killed at the time it happened. We were not surprised. We knew that we were in Norte</p>
<p>Here’s another article from the LA Times about the Mission and the origins of the “gangs and cupcakes” map -> [In</a> S.F.'s Mission District, upscale culture and gang violence are uneasy neighbors - Los Angeles Times](<a href=“http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/21/local/la-me-mission-district-slayings-20110921]In”>Upscale culture and gang violence share a small space)</p>
<p>I’d add that I don’t know whether the territories marked on the gangs map are reflect the gangs’ view of their own territory or are just from the lines drawn by the city anti-gang injunction. Either way it’s very rough way of calibrating which areas are “safe” and which are the type of places where it wouldn’t be at all uncommon for an innocent young person to be hit by a stray bullet.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t be thrilled if my daughter lived in the Mission either. The South Beach area is nice, but it is expensive. The Richmond area makes sense. There is bus servce on California St that can take you from the Richmond area to Nob Hill and back. Clement St is great.</p>
<p>Laurel Heights is another nice area to live.</p>
<p>Calmom: I appreciate your input. Apparently my daughter and sister live in the worst of the worst (between cupcake 10 and cupcake 18) (BTW fascinating site). </p>
<p>I stand by my remarks. I wanted “unsafe” defined. You’ve now done that, by defining San Francisco gang territories as unsafe. That is certainly one way to measure safety. </p>
<p>I’ll see if I can persuade my daughter to contribute to this thread. I’m sure she has opinions.</p>
<p>There was a sweep in the Mission area about a year ago. I don’t know the net effect a year later. Valencia St is nice but that area on Mission St with the cheap stores bugs me. The area of Mission St and the 20s. I don’t like it.</p>
<p>I was standing in front of Shiekh when the next thing I knew I was surrounded by 3 guys. I just smiled and walked slowly away. I did not like that vibe.</p>
<p><a href=“Shiekh Shoes 2627 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110 - superpages.com”>Shiekh Shoes 2627 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110 - superpages.com;
<p>My friend’s daughter owned a shoe store on Mission. (Wholesale Fashion Shoes) Echhh…</p>
<p>I realize the Mission area is larger than that stretch of Mission.</p>
<p>Actually, I defined “unsafe” in the first post I made on the topic – #40-- “(Gangs, vandalism, gun violence)”.</p>
<p>I didn’t say that your daughter is living dangerously. I said that I wouldn’t recommend that area to a newcomer.</p>
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You mean the area where my kids like to shop for luggage?</p>
<p>Maybe…</p>
<p>That area between something like 19th st and 26th st on Mission St.</p>
<p>Cheap products for sale… Crap neighborhood.</p>
<p>mom60, did your D google ‘pet friendly housing rentals in SF’? And I think the Humane Society keeps a list of pet friendly apartments…
I’ve heard that having a pet limits your rental options to about 20% in SF…but there seems to be more dogs than kids in SF and they have to live somewhere, so not sure I believe that…</p>
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<p>Yeah, that’s near the part where my ex lives. We’ve spent a lot of time around there. My d. used to like the thrift shops, but apparently her favorite one has now shut down.</p>
<p>Well…your daughter didn’t shop enough at Wholsale Fashion Shoes so it closed. :)</p>
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<p>Your ex lives in that area…I think somebody was shot or stabbed right in front of that shoe store…can’t remember which…</p>
<p>Anyplace full of cheap shoes would surely attract my daughter. But she’s living on the east coast now. I’m sure she can probably find cheap shoes in Brooklyn.</p>