<p>i didn’t refute anything. I said there’s more of a population concentration in the NE. thus, there’s a larget concentration of high schools. </p>
<p>Still don’t see any refuting…</p>
<p>this thread is boring and repetitive now.</p>
<p>by the way, northwestern is traditionally slightly more selective than cornell, with higher SAT scores, ACT score, and class rank for its entering class. If Cornell has such “national prestige” and recognition, while northwestern tapers off greatly, as you say, how is it that northwestern is able to maintain a stronger student body than cornell does, on average? </p>
<p>Not to mention the fact that Northwestern has several specialty schools, and as a result is more theatre/artsy oriented, while cornell is more geared towards sciences such as engineering, which would seemingly put northwestern at a disadvantage as far as comparable student statistics goes, yet it still wins out.</p>
<p>If cornell really had the upper-hand in prestige, across the country, wouldn’t it be more able to choose better students than northwestern, which has, as you say, only a very strong local draw?</p>
<p>“i didn’t refute anything. I said there’s more of a population concentration in the NE. thus, there’s a larget concentration of high schools.”</p>
<p>you said that the larger concentration of high schools in such a small area meant better students. you failed to note that the reason, which you gave yourself, was because of the relative density of population in such a small area, not that it was more inclined to having more, better schools in general.</p>
<p>“by the way, northwestern is traditionally slightly more selective than cornell, with higher SAT scores, ACT score, and class rank for its entering class. If Cornell has such “national prestige” and recognition, while northwestern tapers off greatly, as you say, how is it that northwestern is able to maintain a stronger student body than cornell does, on average?”</p>
<p>I didn’t say that northwestern’s prestige ‘tapers off,’ but it appears as though cornell is more highly regarded than northwestern in the majority of areas around the country. I’m saying that if this whole ‘regional prestige’ thing is true, then how come cornell is more highly regarded in places NOT regional. You guys were the ones who brought up prestige tapering off in the first place! </p>
<p>“Not to mention the fact that Northwestern has several specialty schools, and as a result is more theatre/artsy oriented, while cornell is more geared towards sciences such as engineering, which would seemingly put northwestern at a disadvantage as far as comparable student statistics goes, yet it still wins out.” </p>
<p>Now i really know that you’re just searching deeper and deeper for ways to make northwestern look better. I’m certainly glad you brought up the whole ‘specialty school’ thing though, because Cornell is loaded with these!! the only schools at Cornell that are NOT specialty are arts and sciences and engineering. This isn’t even half of the student body though. It’s amazing how cornell can remain so highly regarded when only half of its student body is in the traditional ‘arts’ and ‘engineering’ majors.</p>
<p>I can tell you’re really searching for arguments when you bring up SAT scores. Northwestern does not have a stronger student body, sorry bud. The SAT range for Cornell is around 1300-1480 while northwestern is like 1320-1500. Sorry, not enough of a difference to matter. If you want me to break it down further from there, the SAT range at arts and sciences Cornell is around 1350-1520 and engineering was posted as something like 1380-1550. personally, i dont think this is much different from NU’s student body, but you seem to make it a point to bring up these 10 or 20 point differences. Also, are you seriously going to say Northwestern has a stronger student body because they have 82% from the top 10% of the class vs. Cornell’s 81%??? Why don’t i bring up the fact that Cornell has a lower acceptance rate, just to throw that in the mix. Do I care, no, but you love talking about these little numbers. </p>
<p>You seem to forget that Cornell is a much larger school that has to accept significantly more students to fill out its student body. Even so, their student body is on par with Northwestern’s. Northwestern can afford to accept much fewer students that Cornell, so how come their student bodies are the same? Way more people apply to Cornell. Duh!</p>
<p>the fact that you bring up something like SAT scores and student body strengh leads me to believe that you are trying to argue just for the sake of it and have nothing constructive to contribute anymore</p>
<p>" didn’t say that northwestern’s prestige ‘tapers off,’ but it appears as though cornell is more highly regarded than northwestern in the majority of areas around the country."</p>
<p>it appears how? You keep making these claims that Cornell is more prestigious than Northwestern in general in America, but the evidence belies those claims: Northwestern matriculates more, stronger students from outside its area than does Cornell.</p>
<p>“You seem to forget that Cornell is a much larger school that has to accept significantly more students to fill out its student body. Even so, their student body is on par with Northwestern’s. Northwestern can afford to accept much fewer students that Cornell, so how come their student bodies are the same? Way more people apply to Cornell. Duh!”</p>
<p>That’s irrelevant, Harvard has a larger student body than University of Chicago yet manages to be more selective and fill its student body with better students. Why? Harvard is more prestigious than University of Chicago.</p>
<p>LOL now better SAT scores, better ACT scores, and a higher student body rank for Northwestern doesn’t mean it’s better? You are an idiot, i’m not even going to continue this argument since it’s very clear you have been proven wrong, when you take statistics and say “those don’t matter” and then assert your opinion as to why you’re right, haha.</p>
<p>i’m not going to copy/paste everything I said. Your evidence doesn’t prove anything, not at least until you can prove that admissions had nothing to do with the geographic diversity of the student body. For all we know, NU may get sick of students from the chicago area and will gladly admit more (possibly less qualified) students from the southeast, southwest, etc. Who knows, but until we do you dont have an argument. </p>
<p>“You keep making these claims that Cornell is more prestigious than Northwestern in general in America”</p>
<p>this has been my experience, to say the least. Your entitled to your own opinion, but i’m here to state my own, and this is what I have observed.</p>
<p>“LOL now better SAT scores, better ACT scores, and a higher student body rank for Northwestern doesn’t mean it’s better? You are an idiot, i’m not even going to continue this argument since it’s very clear you have been proven wrong, when you take statistics and say “those don’t matter” and then assert your opinion as to why you’re right, haha”</p>
<p>geez, I didn’t think Northewestern studnets were this insecure about their school. Northwestern doesn’t have a better student body than Cornell, I say they’re about equal. The data isn’t different enough to indicate a “weaker” student body at any institution. You honestly believe that a 20-point maximum difference on an SAT range is a good indication of a stronger student body? Should a 1% difference in the percentage of students in the top-10% of the class really give you reason to celebrate? give me a break, maybe at least a 60 point difference on the SAT and a 10-15% difference in the student body rank. This isn’t the case though! </p>
<p>You’re just trying to muster every last bit of prestige you can from your school by citing a 1% difference and then calling me an “idiot” for saying this is too insigificant to call any one student body stronger than the other. How low can you go? (lets wait for the responce!!)</p>
<p>“geez, I didn’t think Northewestern studnets were this insecure about their school.”</p>
<p>Who’s the one who is insecure? You are the one arguing, against good logic and statistics, that Cornell is for some reason just more widely known than Northwestern in the nation in general. In fact, you are the one who began the whole “Cornell vs the world" argument. I did not make my assertions to make Northwestern look better than Cornell- or any other school for that matter. </p>
<p>I don’t know how this became a Cornell vs Rice argument then a Cornell vs Northwestern argument, but elsijfdl summed up my argument pretty well: </p>
<p>“That institutions’ prestige varies per geographic region, and elite universities with national draws still tend to have stronger prestige within their region/local area.”</p>
<p>This is what I have asserted, and nothing more. You, gomestar, are the one who makes outlandish claims with no backing. If you could provide some kind of argument based on something other than just your opinion, I would be more inclined to believe you. However, you don’t. Or maybe you just can’t. Either way, I don’t think anything that I have said here is in any way absurd.</p>
<p>This is what I said over 30 posts ago: </p>
<p>“This is exactly what I have said. I would expect that of the list, Cornell is the most prestigious in the Northeast, as it has large numbers of students from that area. As for California, I would expect that Stanford, Berkeley, and UCLA are far more prestigious than Cornell in that regard, just like I would expect Chicago and Northwestern to have more name power in the Midwest, and Rice in the Southwest.”</p>
<p>What exactly is wrong with this argument?</p>
<p>kk - i don’t agree with some of what you have said, but i dont think you’ve made any really absurd arguments. Just the same argument over and over again. </p>
<p>“You are the one arguing, against good logic and statistics”</p>
<p>there wasn’t any good logic and statistics here. I told you before, admissions can manipulate geographic diversity of classes, and they often strive to achieve a certain level of diversity. You should know this!! I’ve taken a few statistics classes (even advanced multiple regression!!) and even my intro classes would tell me that the data presented in this thread = useless. </p>
<p>“Cornell is for some reason just more widely known than Northwestern in the nation in general”</p>
<p>i said it before, this is my opinion based on my observations having spent considerable times at both coasts and in the southwest. Again, I don’t have numbers to prove it, but you don’t have numbers to prove that Rice, WUSL are more widely known either. I believe certain things, and because my beliefs are based on observations i’ve made personally, I’m sticking to them because I believe that they’re generally true. Both of my parents recruit college grads for two separate Fortune-500 companies, so i’m exposed to this college crap all the time. You can certainly disagree with me, but there’s nothing I can say or do that would make you believe me otherwise. I’m ok with that, you’re not the ones whose opinion I really care about. This doesn’t mean I wont hesitate to tell you what I’ve learned, though. </p>
<p>“If you could provide some kind of argument based on something other than just your opinion”</p>
<p>There is no way i can discuss the popularity of a university with pure empirical facts. Neither can you. But, I will contribute my observations, as I have, and I’ll tell you if something you say is not a real indication of how ‘widely known’ a university is. You don’t have to believe a word of what I say as I’m sure you’ll learn someday. </p>
<p>Also, i’m in no way insecure … but I think it’s just plain ignorant to say Northwestern has a stronger student body. Do you see how this statement is absurd, kk? We were having a decent debate until this other nimrod came in talking about SATs and ACTs and high school ranks. That’s like me pulling the “Cornell is an Ivy and Ivies are better” card … it’s unnecessary and certainly not true.</p>
<p>please gomestar, YOU were never having a good debate, haha</p>
<p>i cant edit what i said, but for engineering, i would say they are all even, except chicago which doesnt have it, but Rice gives the best options for working in petrolium engineering and NU gives the best options for interning during the year because chicago is a very big city with many oppertunities. </p>
<p>why is this person looking at cornell if the rest of the schools are in the mid west and close to cities?</p>
<p>“please gomestar, YOU were never having a good debate, haha”</p>
<p>please, open your eyes. Owned.</p>
<p>University of Chicago</p>
<p>I am happy that I will be attending there in the fall. Am I pompous? No, not at all; in fact, I am very quiet and don’t flaunt my knowledge (or lack thereof?). I am very studious, though, and “fun”, as defined by me, would be a good discussion with friends. I enjoy studying, so, for me, it is the perfect school. I am not interested in pre-professional programs, and UChicago has those esoteric courses in obscure languages that I would like.</p>
<p>To each his own, I think.</p>
<p>^^^</p>
<p>“for me, it is the perfect school”</p>
<p>the exact reason to pick a school. Congratulations, and I hope you have a great time there!</p>
<p>Katharos, what do you plan on doing after college?</p>
<p>wow, what a thread. </p>
<p>ill be attending northwestern and here is my opinion:
NW
Cornell
Rice
Uchicago
Wash U</p>
<p>Out of these schools, NW certainly stands out as the best for me (its the only one I applied to out of the 5). Its location is superb (although I probably would prefer a northeast location…closer to home) and has stellar academics. My teacher, who is a Uchicago alum, strongly encouraged me to go to NW and admitted that while he was at Chicago, he always envied the NW students because NW seemed to be “brighter” and “more fun” while Chicago appeared to be very “dark and gothic.” </p>
<p>Cornell…I’m turned off by its rural location, huge student population, cutthroat competition (especially for premeds), among other things.</p>
<p>I don’t really know much about Rice and WashU, although WashU’s aggressive marketing scheme and its manipulative ways to move up the ranks really turns me off. Plus, Evanston/Chicago completely owns St. Louis.</p>
<p>In Silicon Valley Rice has more prestige than any of the other schools mentioned. The only non-California schools that beat it are MIT and CMU. So, I guess it depends on where you want to work after graduation. Do you like shoveling snow? Plus, I just don’t get why warm weather is such a problem. Houston is really only bad in the summer when students are not there. On the other hand, Chicago is really awful in the winter when students ARE there.</p>
<p>I don’t feel like Rice has more prestige than the others. </p>
<p>I actually feel like Cornell gets more prestige than Rice because of its Ivy League status. Well, to answer the question, I’d definitely attend Cornell/UChicago over the rest.</p>
<p>Rice more prestigious than Cornell in Silicon Valley? I find that hard to believe. Cornell’s EE, CE and CS departments are all ranked among the top 5 or 6 nationally.</p>
<p>Agreed, Cornell’s departments in CS, CC, and EC are highly regarded, but I actually don’t know of many people who are applying to Rice from the area. That could just be me though…</p>