<p>^^ I sure hope you type that in jest …</p>
<p>Yeah, I was not entirely serious.</p>
<p>All of the SUNYs are cheap. In-State tuition is $4,350 per year everywhere. Room and board ranges from $7,130 at Purchase to $11,370 at ESF/Syracuse.</p>
<p>Out-of-State tuition and fees at the SUNYs ranges from $11,360 at ESF/Syracuse to $12,477 at Buffalo.</p>
<p>Wells College is very cheap for an LAC.</p>
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<h2>But I suppose it’s better than Penn State, Pitt, Rutgers, Maryland. Delaware, UCONN, UMASS, and so on if you want that type of narrow-minded exclusionary education.</h2>
<p>I’d like to defend Grove City College from the accusation that it is narrow-minded and exclusionary.</p>
<p>The fact is it isn’t. Students are taught various points of view and left-wingers aren’t ostracized or even shouted down. Opposing points of view are ENCOURAGED during class discussions and occassionally, even left-wing speakers and speakers whose viewpoints are antithetical to Christianity are invited. How is that exclusionary ?</p>
<p>It’s just that most of those who tend to apply to the school are Christians and Conservatives. It goes without saying that you expect the culture of the school to be conservative. But then, so are colleges like — Wheaton, Hillsdale, Brigham Young and Baylor University.</p>
<p>But to be balanced, let’s look at the other side of the coin. Here’s an editorial by the Washington Times, 04/11/04 that should be an eye opener ( see here : [Intellectual</a> diversity on campus.(EDITORIALS) | Washington Times, The | Find Articles at BNET.com](<a href=“http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5244/is_200404/ai_n19585960):%5DIntellectual”>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5244/is_200404/ai_n19585960):)</p>
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<p>"For all the agony and lawsuits about diversity among student enrollments, there has been a shameful silence about the lack of intellectual diversity within college faculties. Consider a 2001 Frank Luntz Research/Center for the Study of Popular Culture (CSPC) survey of Ivy League professors, which found that 0 percent identified themselves as conservative. </p>
<p>At Harvard, Democratic professors outnumbered Republican professors in economics, political science and sociology departments by 50-2, according to a 2001 American Enterprise Institute survey. At Stanford, it was 151-7; at Davidson College in North Carolina, 10-1. This lack of diversity has real consequences on quality education, academic discourse and academic freedom itself.</p>
<h2>A course description at the University of California Berkeley (100 Democrats, 9 Republicans, according to a CSPC study) stated that “conservative thinkers are encouraged to seek other sections.” When a student at a Colorado school wrote an essay on why Saddam Hussein was a war criminal, instead of why George W. Bush was, as her professor asked, she received a failing grade. Of course, most students would simply accept the status quo in fear of the opprobrium they could face. After all, when the chairman of Duke’s philosophy department says that his university (95 Democrats, 15 Republicans) doesn’t hire more conservative professors because, “as John Stuart Mill said, stupid people are generally conservative,” why shouldn’t a student stay quiet?</h2>
<p>So, what do we see in most other campuses IN PRACTICE ? You talk about Grove city being right-wing, well, how many colleges out there are left-wing, exclusionary and narrow-minded ?</p>
<p>The poor oppressed conservatives. </p>
<p>Quoting the Washington Times carries a lot of weight. Indeed it does. It’s owned by a convicted felon, known anti-Semite, gay-basher, and general lunatic who thinks he’s a deity. Boy the conservatives have really sunk low. The Times is one of the most one-sided, dishonest rags in the country. </p>
<p>Joe do you really believe that Grove City is better than every state university in the East, which is what the contributor said?</p>
<p>And btw, the YAF has selected Grove City as one of the top ten conservative colleges. They provided this description:</p>
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<p>United States Military Academy at West Point
United States Naval Academy at Annapolis
…Air Force Academy
Coast Guard Academy</p>
<p>JUST APPLY TO THEM</p>
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<p>Washington Times carries a lot of weight. Indeed it does. It’s owned by a convicted felon, known anti-Semite, gay-basher, and general lunatic who thinks he’s a deity. Boy the conservatives have really sunk low. The Times is one of the most one-sided, dishonest rags in the country. </p>
<h2>Joe do you really believe that Grove City is better than every state university in the East, which is what the contributor said?</h2>
<p>1) One does not condemn everything a newspaper says without investigating the backdrop of their article. For that matter, I don’t believe the reporters of the newspaper are lying. It is a well known fact that in most universities Democrats outnumber Republicans by a significant number.</p>
<p>This has nothing to do with being “poor conservatives” (in the case of studying in a school like Berkeley ) or “poor liberals” (in the case of studying in a school like Grove City). It simply relates to PERSONAL PREFERENCES.</p>
<p>If you’re religious, believe in traditional values, prefer a campus where people overwhelmingly believe in God and is affordable at that, of course you won’t be comfortable in a party college or a college where students are liberal or are into beer and casual sex. That goes without saying.</p>
<p>2) What’s “better or worse” is as far as I am concerned, is a RELATIVE thing. What’s better for person A is not necessarily better for person B.</p>
<p>The important thing is for the school to conform to your personal moral values and to prepare you for what you want to do after graduation without having to graduate with tons of debt.</p>
<p>I for one know that lots of Grove City College kids go on to graduate with good jobs ( Their stats say that 91% of their grads find good jobs within 6 months of graduation and more go on to graduate school in some of the top graduate schools in the country ). The tuition plus board and lodging is in the vicinity of $18,000 ( and you might even qualify for need based aid ). Plus every student who enrolls is given a laptop and printer which is theirs to keep when they graduate.</p>
<p>the main question then to ask is this — IS THE COLLEGE A GOOD FIT FOR YOUR TEMPERAMENT, VALUES and PERSONAL REQUIREMENTS ?</p>
<p>That’s the bottom line. Some will say yes, and some will say HELL NO.
But that’s ostensibly a personal preference.</p>
<p>Grove City was brought up simply because the school meets the requirement (cheap tuition) posted by the OPS. Add that to the fact that it is a very selective and competitive school with rigorous academics, it is then worthy of consideration (again for the right kind of person ).</p>
<p>Joe:</p>
<p>The contributor has been a ■■■■■ for Grove City without noting that it is clearly not the right college of lots of people. It is what it is, and many people will be happy there. My strong reaction was to her statement that it was better than any public in the East, which is ludicrous on its face.</p>
<p>I’m out of this now, and others can go and answer the OP’s question.</p>
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<p>United States Military Academy at West Point
United States Naval Academy at Annapolis
…Air Force Academy</p>
<h2>Coast Guard Academy</h2>
<p>OK, these military schools are great, cheap and excellent training grounds. </p>
<p>But you gotta ask yourself if you want to be a soldier…</p>
<p>What if you get sent to Iraq after graduation ?? Just asking…</p>
<p>If you’re a registered Floridian with decent GPA and SAT scores, tuition for Florida public schools is FREE! and, even if you’re OOS, tuition is still pretty cheap.</p>
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The cost should NOT be a primary factor in choosing a Service Academy. Trust me, if your heart is not in it, it will cost more than any normal college!</p>
<p>The military academies learn very quickly who is there with the right motivation and who might mistakenly have arrived with financial motives.</p>
<p>tsdad - why would you put down Grove City College? No one is saying that it is the right school for everyone, but neitherare any of the other schools mentioned on this thread. It was suggested to the op because it met the criteria of providing an excellent education with an excellent career placement percentage for a relatively inexpensive cost. I do not think you can deny this fact. What about all the colleges and universities with nearly 100% liberal professors…I don’t think their agenda is right for everyone (anyone?) yet you have no ill words about them. In regards to the Washington Times, IMHO it is a better source than most of the other press sources which are one sided liberal propaganda which serve only to the detriment of what the United States once stood for. I am thankful that there are at least a few institutions of higher learning which produce upstanding individuals grounded in the original foundations of our country. Does this threaten you in any way? If not, then why put down such an excellent institution?</p>
<p>Liberals are not going to like conservative schools and vice versa, that’s just a fact. To each his own.</p>
<p>Joejitsu, I am conservative and I loved it at Cornell and at Michigan…two relatively liberal schools. Conservatives and liberals can get along just fine, provided both parties are tolerant and mentally up to scratch.</p>
<p>OP, Thomas More College of Liberal Arts is a very inexpensive private college. Tuition, fees, room, board and supplies come off to $21,000. With your stats, I am sure you are eligible for merit aid. </p>
<p>The school is a Catholic institution following a great books program, so it does not offer engineering. However, you can always go to grad school to specialize in a field. Oh, and it’s very small.</p>
<p>[Thomas</a> More College - A Classical Education in the Catholic Tradition](<a href=“http://www.thomasmorecollege.edu/]Thomas”>http://www.thomasmorecollege.edu/)</p>
<p>The kid is an INTERNATIONAL. He couldn’t go to a service academy if he tried.</p>
<p>With a 1360 and solid grades you should be able to recieve some scholarships from very respectable schools. For instance you said that you have a 1360 and straight A’s as your grades. At Michigan Tech you would be offered $12,000 a year, lowering costs to about $16,000. I would find an extensive list of schools and research automatic scholarships, so that you could find appropriate schools.</p>
<p>[Be</a> Resourceful - Scholarships for new Michigan Tech Students](<a href=“Undergraduate Admissions | Michigan Technological University”>Undergraduate Admissions | Michigan Technological University) In order to see the actual numbers for scholarships at Michigan Tech.</p>
<p>One of the top Engineering colleges (on US News Best Programs list) is Kettering University. With a 4.0 and a 1360 you would get $17,000 scholarship per year, making an expensive school fairly inexpensive, about $15,000 as far as I can tell:</p>
<p>[Kettering</a> University :: Success Zone](<a href=“Admissions | Kettering University”>Admissions | Kettering University)
[Kettering</a> University :: Success Zone](<a href=“Admissions | Kettering University”>Admissions | Kettering University)</p>
<p>International cadets do go to each service academy. However, they serve in their own nation’s forces. The other nation pays for the cadet and usually has a contract that is different than the one for US cadets.</p>