Which College should I choose? (Yale, MIT, Pitzer,)

Hey y’all,

Long time reader, first time poster.

I was lucky enough to get into the three colleges above, and I am absolutely in love with all three, and I’m having trouble deciding. I got into Yale SCEA, and MIT and Pitzer RD, and I go to a competitive public school in Silicon Valley.

For those wondering, I have a 4.6 W GPA, and a 1590 SAT, and I am an Asian male.

I want to major in biology, and I want a smaller school, which is why I like Pitzer the best. I love their core values and more flexible curriculum, and I love that I can take classes at the other Claremonts. However, I don’t want to overlook the prestige of MIT and Yale.

What do you guys think?

Does cost differ significantly and how much does it matter to you?

Since you mention flexible curriculum, you can compare general education at each school:

MIT: http://catalog.mit.edu/mit/undergraduate-education/general-institute-requirements/
Yale: http://catalog.yale.edu/ycps/yale-college/distributional-requirements/
Pitzer: https://www.pitzer.edu/registrar/graduation-requirements/

For the biology major:

MIT: https://biology.mit.edu/undergraduate/
Yale: http://catalog.yale.edu/ycps/subjects-of-instruction/biology/
Pitzer: http://catalog.pitzer.edu/preview_entity.php?catoid=6&ent_oid=316&returnto=438

You may want to check course and faculty listings to see which school’s biology department has offerings that are closest to your interests.

Post-graduation goals? (i.e. pre-med, pre-PhD, other)

MIT has a particular appeal to certain students. However, you’ve not indicated that you are one of them.

Pitzer does indeed support some authentic values (xeriscaping, etc.) and meets your criterion for an intimate undergraduate focus. Realistically, though, their home curriculum isn’t that broad, which might make it somewhat difficult (even considering the consortium) to explore a range of academic disciplines that you might not have yet considered.

Yale might be larger than you would prefer, and may not express its institutional values in a way to which you immediately relate. However, you could bring your own value set to the school while working towards an excellent, and notably well-resourced, education.

Thank you for your response @ucbalumnus

Thankfully, cost is not an issue for my family.

I’ve researched the curricula for each school, and I like Pitzer’s the best because it has less requirements, and it allows for more student freedom. I also think a liberal arts program would be best for me since I’m not quite sure what I want to do post-graduation. I only know that I want to major in Bio. Additionally, after visiting both MIT and Yale, I felt that they were too competitive, and I liked the laid back atmosphere at Pitzer. However, my parents want me to choose MIT or Yale, since they believe they will open more doors for me after graduation (which is probably true). Any thoughts?

I just found out I got into Northwestern University as well!! I’m excited, but also a little flustered because I have a tough choice to make. Would any students who are majoring in bio from each of the four colleges care to comment on what they think of their school?

^^^ In terms of academics

first, congratulations on being accepted to all of those schools. they’re all incredible.

second, i don’t think you’d be happy at mit. the workload is very heavy, and you’d have to work extremely, extremely hard. it’s not a “laid back” type of environment. yale uses the residential college system to help establish a well-rounded community of people, so keep that in mind. also, yale’s biology program is very good (always ranked near the top).

i understand why you really like pitzer (i almost applied myself), but i, personally, think yale sounds better in the long run. i see your username… did you apply to stanford?

@kalons Thanks for the input. I did apply to Stanford, but I don’t think I’ll get in, it’s too much of a reach for me.

if you can get into both mit and yale, you can get into stanford, lol. don’t sell yourself short. wait for that decision, then go from there.

(p.s. if your heart is still dead set on pitzer after you receive all of your decisions, go for it. california weather and a laid-back student body never hurt anyone!)

OP,

First, let me admit bias. I am an LAC fan. Thus, my recommendation should perhaps not be trusted, since given the choice between research university and LAC, I will choose LAC every time. Every freaking time. Harvard or Amherst? Amherst. Yale or Pomona? Pomona. Princeton or Carleton? Carleton. Heck, even if we go down the prestige ladder… Penn or Macalester? Macalester.

You want to go to Pitzer, yet you are trying to talk yourself out of going to Pitzer. For the life of me I do not understand this. Why would you not listen to yourself? Go to Pitzer. The fact that it’s part of the Claremont consortium only strengthens the case.

What doesn’t get mentioned, hardly ever, is that there are students who go off to Ivies and have buyer’s remorse. They do not realize how little focused these schools are on undergraduates, how seldom the professors care about undergraduate teaching. These are research institutions, and research/scholarship comes first. Teaching of graduate students comes second. Yet students head off to Ivies/Ivy equivalents and believe that their experience will be like what you’ll have at Pitzer: seminar-style classes, close relationships with professors (many of whom you’ll know on a first name basis), a culture in which intellectual conversation thrives among students and faculty together.

That’s not to say that an education at an Ivy/Ivy-like is terrible. Not at all! But the myth that the education quality at these schools is second-to-none is tiresome. Sure, there will be those professors who are dedicated to teaching, whose charisma and oratory skill behind the lectern is something to behold, but behind the lectern is where they’ll usually stay. Do not expect close contact or much accessibility. Of course, exceptions exist, as they always do, but at Pitzer you’ll know most of your professors, again, by first name. You’ll be invited into some of their homes. You’ll meet them for coffee or lunch. You’ll work with them on research. You’ll find yourself chatting with them as you do any good friend. Good luck with finding that at a research university.

As for the prestige factor, do your research. One study conducted by a Princeton professor and another researcher from the Mellon institute looked at earnings for those who attend Ivies and those who do not. At first, there did appear to be a gap, but when a new control factor was entered, that gap disappeared. When the researchers looked at the earnings for those who were admitted to an Ivy/Ivy-like but chose to enroll elsewhere (the state flagship, say), no discernible earnings gap was noted.

Of course, this study tells us what we already know using common sense. The name of the school does not do the work; the person does.

Best of luck at Pitzer!

@Hapworth Thanks for the honest and coherent response! Which LAC did you go to for undergrad?

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This thread is hilarious. Is there anyone who would actually consider pitzer over Yale, Northwestern and MIT? I mean, just look at the facts:

US News Rankings:
Yale: 3
MIT: 5
Northwestern:11
Pitzer (lol): 33 in liberal arts colleges

Acceptance rate:
Yale:6.3
MIT: 7.9
Northwestern: 10.7
Pitzer (lol): 12.9

Endowment:
Yale: 27.2 billion
MIT: 14.8 billion
Northwestern: 10.46 billion
Pitzer (lol): 137 million

Yeah, this shouldn’t really be a contest. If you really want to go to a local school where you can get to know your professors, just go to community college. But hey, if you really want that liberal arts degree to become a head philosopher at Chico State, be my guest

And yes I did chose to go to foothill community college over schools like Pitzer

palystanford,

My college journey was much different than yours. I was a bright but entirely apathetic student in HS. I attended community college with the sole goal of attending the state flagship, U of IL-Urbana Champaign. Then I learned about LACs, a universe that I didn’t know existed, but I knew that this sort of environment was right for me: focus on undergraduate learning, small classes, rigorous academics, a residential environment where students live on campus all four years (I wanted to live in the dorms; I wanted to eat in the cafeteria).

Suddenly, I had no interest in the flagship. My situation was much more modest than yours. I looked into transferring from the CC to two LACs: Beloit College in WI and Knox College in IL. Knox was my top choice, and that’s where I went. A school like Knox might not be in your universe (it would be a safety school for you), but it is a fine place. I graduated in '96 and still miss it and feel that is shaped me into who I am. This is why I am such a fanboy of LACs in general. They are special places. They are quintessentially American. LACs hardly exist outside the U.S. Your four years of undergrad are important years, even if graduate school is in your future, as it was for me. You don’t get those four years back: to study broadly, to have meaningful contact with professors, to form life-long friendships among those you live on campus with for four years, to have intellectual conversations at 3 a.m., to have goofy conversations at 3 a.m., to participate in the quirky and unique traditions that all LACs have. Make your choice wisely. You don’t get to relive those four years again.

@Lostboy222 : Wow, if anyone’s moniker were any truer than yours, point it out to me! Listen, I am tired. I do not have the energy to respond to your post in depth. I’ll let others do that. But if I could borrow your flippant tone to write a quick anti-TLDR response, well, here goes: Acceptance rate as indication of educational quality, LOL. Endowment as indication of educational quality, LOL. US News rankings? LOL!!!

OP, congratulations on your many great choices thus far.

If you are interested in a biology career, you will most likely pursue a graduate degree. I would encourage you to contact some former students at Pitzer who are on track to becoming scientists to hear of how their Pitzer experience shaped them and how they became successful candidates for graduate programs.

https://www.pitzer.edu/communications/2017/04/18/pitzer-college-senior-three-alumni-named-2017-nsf-graduate-research-fellows/

https://www.pitzer.edu/communications/2017/08/22/pitzer-alumnus-alfredo-valencia-14-wins-hhmi-fellowship-exceptional-graduate-students/

Samuel, Lilian, Freddy, and Brian may be of particular interest since they themselves majored in some form of biology. Reach out to the Pitzer College Admissions Office- I’m sure they’ll help you connect to them (very tight-knit community there of students, alumni, and staff).

MIT will be tough. But Yale is a great option

Based on what you said and considering your interest in LACs and your parents’ push for prestige, I’d pick Yale. You can try and select mostly small classes during shopping period (although it may be tough for biology*) and participate in your house’s activities.

  • Why biology? If your goal is med school, you don't need to major in biology. Biology will require grad school and the more applied you can go the better in terms of ROI - there's an oversupply of biology majors due to med school applicants not getting in, although the issue is a bit less for Yale graduates.

Pick the college that is right for you,not the one with the most prestigious name.

My personal opinion is, if you come from a family that can comfortably afford any of the colleges you have been admitted to - and, by that I mean, without going deeply into debt or by raiding your parents’ retirement fund - chances are you will achieve your goals at any one of the Top 100 colleges and universities in the country. You have the skill sets and the resources to do it. Biology is not some rare department found only on an Ivy League campus. Go where you want.

Wouldn’t the primary advantage of Yale and MIT from a post-graduation standpoint be that it is more possible to get a consulting or banking job from there (since these are more sensitive to college prestige and less sensitive to major), since biology-specific jobs are not that easy to get? Of course, if the OP is not interested in consulting or banking, that may not be relevant.