Which Ivy League is Right for me?

Which Ivy league would be good for me to apply to:

Female
Interests: Philosophy and psychology
Attitude: I read philosophy books in my spare time and run my high school’s first philosophy club. I love learning.
GPA: 4.0
SAT: 1350
Love a beautiful small city around the campus (like Providence, RI). I want cafes, shops, restaurants.
Want something on the East coast of the U.S.
Safety is important to me
Don’t care about sports. Don’t care about partying/drinking.
Like townst that look old in the U.S. more european feeling.
Want one that isn’t incredibly stressful (like Brown)
Like colder rather than hot weather
I’m nerdy. I like fantasy and scifi.

Thanks!

What do you like about the schools in the Ivy League (which is a sports conference, nothing more)? The schools are different, so do some research on what makes them different.

What is your budget?

Your SAT score is not high enough for the Ivy league schools, so you would be applying test optional. Do you have any hooks…like underrepresented minority or first gen?

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Why Ivy League? What does that really mean? They are all so different, and you have laid out some of your interests and priorities, all of of which could be met by a variety of schools. Why are you specifically interested in Ivy League schools?

Ironically, the Ivy League is literally a sports conference…

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I hope you don’t mind that I changed IV to Ivy in your subject.

Female
all of the Ivies are coed so this really won’t matter

Interests: Philosophy and psychology
pretty sure all the Ivies have these majors or something related.

Attitude: I read philosophy books in my spare time and run my high school’s first philosophy club. I love learning.

this love of learning will help you at any college.

GPA: 4.0
SAT: 1350

Is this a weighted or unweighted GPA. Agree with above poster…your sat really doesn’t meet an Ivy bar. Apply test optional.

Love a beautiful small city around the campus (like Providence, RI). I want cafes, shops, restaurants.

the Ivies are all in or near cities or small town.

Want something on the East coast of the U.S.

the Ivies are eastern locations.

Safety is important to me

for the ivies in or near cities (Penn, Columbia, Brown, Harvard, Yale for example) you just need city smarts.

Don’t care about sports. Don’t care about partying/drinking.

you can find folks with similar interests at any college

Like townst that look old in the U.S. more european feeling.

nothing here is as old as Europe. I would hope that what happens inside the buildings is more important than the town architecture

Want one that isn’t incredibly stressful (like Brown)

what makes you think Brown is more stressful

Like colder rather than hot weather

this isn’t a problem at the Ivies.

I’m nerdy. I like fantasy and scifi.

you will find your like minded folks anywhere.

Now…having said all that…why the Ivies? Why are you targeting these highly rejective colleges? What you have listed as criteria can be found at MANY colleges…MANY. Nothing unique about the ivies in what you have listed.

So…look at each Ivy League school and consider what you would like…and apply. At the same time, target some less selective colleges.

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None of the Ivy League schools are in a hot weather region. They’re all in the Northeast.

How familiar are you with these schools? Half of them are in cities, three of them in very large ones.

I suggest you research these schools more to see if they’d really be a fit.

Are you just using the term “Ivy League” generically to mean “elite, top ranked school”?

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It sounds like you don’t even know which schools are in the Ivy League. They are a sports conference of 8 schools, all on the East Coast. Here are the Ivy League schools, listed alphabetically:

Brown(Providence, RI)
Columbia(NY, NY)
Cornell(Ithaca, NY)
Dartmouth(Hanover, NH)
Harvard(Boston, MA)
Penn(Philadelphia, PA)
Princeton(Princeton, NJ)
Yale(New Haven, CT)

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I thought Princeton really was in more of a suburban town

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It is. But Penn, Columbia and Harvard are in large cities and Yale is in a city too.

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Your SAT is too low for ivies and similar, so getting in even TO will be very challenging. What year are you and what courses have you taken in HS, and what do you plan to take next year? Any AP scores yet? I am asking because I am concerned all ivy-types will be very stressful for you unless you have the preparation. There are so many amazing schools that are in small towns on the east coast that won’t be filled with uber-competitive students who are naturally better test takers than you are. Tests aren’t everything but being in a college does require exams and intensive writing, and most colleges do compare to peers with grading. I suggest you look much more broadly to find a lower level of stress that will be right for you.

Brown is considered to be the most laid back Ivy.

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I interpreted the OP to mean “isn’t stressful “ like Brown isn’t stressful.
In any case, even laid -back Brown could feel very stressful to someone whose academics are well below the average student.

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I think the OP meant that she would like a school that isn’t as stressful, for example, Brown.

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Frankly, I’m not sure any of the Ivy League schools is necessarily a great fit for you. They are all very academically selective, and they all have a very high share of extremely hard-working and extremely ambitious kids. Brown is usually rated as one of the least stressful Ivies, but I agree that Brown’s reputation is just relative. In fact all of these colleges can be very stressful, and they really only make sense for people who actually thrive in that sort of environment. And it is totally fine if that is not your idea of a great college experience.

Off hand, it seems to me like a well-chosen Small Liberal Arts College might be a better fit for you. In fact, you might well consider some of the women’s colleges. I think they can still be stressful in their own ways, but I think some women like the vibe better anyway. Including as to things like sports, partying, drinking, and all that–not that they have none of that, but it can feel different to some women at a women’s college. In short, nerdy, literate, academicky women have been finding great college experiences at these places for a long time.

If that doesn’t sound quite right, I think you can look at some co-ed colleges and universities that are maybe along those lines anyway. Vassar, a former women’s college but now long co-ed, is a popular choice for people looking for that sort of vibe. William & Mary and Carleton also are schools where the nerd pride is very high, although those are starting to edge back toward being a little on the intense side. Still, maybe not quite to Ivy levels.

WUSTL and Rice are also worth considering. Rice is a little more intense maybe, but not necessarily in a bad way. For a considerably more likely admit, you might want to check out Pitt, which actually has a top Philosophy department (like, in the world). I would not overemphasize that for undergraduate purposes, but it is a distinguishing factor among more likely admits.

OK, so up to now I have been ignoring your location and setting preferences, because frankly they are problematic. Old in the US is not the same as old in Europe. Like, the closest you will get to real old is probably William & Mary, but that is Colonial old because of course what became the US was just a colonial backwater until relatively recently by European history standards.

But there is a lot of interesting history in some US cities, just different. Like, I think cities like Pittsburgh and St Louis have a lot of interesting history, lots of interesting historical architecture, and so on.

Of course some cities on the East Coast are like that too, but they are generally very big-feeling cities. I think if you like the feel of a Providence–a metro area with about 1.7 million people, a little under 200,000 in Providence itself–you may well be better off in a Pittsburgh (about 2.4 million metro, 300,000 city), or St Louis (2.8 million metro, again around 300,000 city), than say a Boston (4.9 million metro, 700,000 city) let alone a Philly (6.2 million metro, 1.6 million city), or New York (20.1 million metro, 8.3 million city).

Or you can be in the suburbs, or a smaller town, which nonetheless has a lot of US history. Vassar is in the historic Hudson River Valley, a couple hours by train from NYC. Again, William & Mary is in colonial Williamsburg, but really not that far from DC and such. Wellesley is in an older, affluent town of the same name in the Greater Boston area. Smith and Mount Holyoke are in the historic Pioneer Valley, close to Springfield and not too far from Boston. Bryn Mawr–with a really lovely campus–is in the Philly “Main Line” suburbs a short train ride from Downtown.

Another great city (really two) with a lot of history is Minneapolis/St Paul. I mentioned Carleton, which is in a nice historic small town, Northfield, about 45 minutes outside the city. But there are a lot of great LACs in that area you might like. Macalester has a great location in the heart of the cities between the two downtowns, with a bunch of lovely old homes and such in the immediate area. St Olaf, a forum favorite for good reasons, is also in Northfield. And so on.

Anyway, hopefully this all gave you some ideas. I do think maybe your best fit in terms of the actual college may not end up checking all your other boxes. Definitely not the Ivy box, but possibly not the city box or East Coast box either.

But if you want a nerdy, literate, academicky college in a US-style historic area that is not quite Ivy-intense . . . that is very doable.

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Your point about academic preparation is key, and it applies to any academically rigorous school, well beyond the Ivy+ group. OP should keep this in mind when selecting schools.

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I totally agree with this. From the OP’s description, it sounds like some SLACs could actually be an excellent fit.

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Applies to all.

Must businesses will seek locations near large concentrations of customers - hence cafes, restaurants will often be found near campuses.

Making this the only tangible criteria.

Based on that, I think you might like the location of Dartmouth and Princeton - possibly Cornell.

The idea that Brown is less stressful is just plain wrong. This idea gets spread around because Brown doesn’t have required gen eds, but it is a very rigorous school. Students do have a different vibe, I think, in some ways. Harvard had 40% grads going into finance and consulting at one point and you probably won’t find that at Brown. But, please, Brown is very challenging.

@ Midoritori2020 I suggest you look at the Colleges that Change Lives website for ideas on schools. You can also google “little Ivies” but they are also super selective. You can try test optional.

No reason at all to focus only on Ivies though some have excellent financial aid (not all).

If you are international and need financial aid, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT, Amherst, Bowdoin are need-blind in admissions.

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I absolutely agree.

@Midoritori2020 everything that you wrote about yourself sounds really indicates that the best place for you is a Liberal Arts College. There are a wide range of LACs that fit every one of your preferences. They also, at least in my opinion (and the opinions of many of the people on this thread seem much better fits for you than any Ivy.

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Add Dartmouth.

These schools for internationals are both need blind for admissions AND meet full need for international students.

Although you may ultimately decide not to submit your SAT score with your application, you nonetheless may find your score helpful for identifying academically suitable colleges. For ideas based on your interest in philosophy, this site may be of interest:

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