Which Person Would a College Prefer?

<p>Hey College Confidential!</p>

<p>This is my first post here, so sorry if I posted in the wrong forum. My question is would a college that cares equally about sports and academics rather accept a scholarly student with above average grades, or an athlete with average grades? I’ll give you guys some MOCK statistics.</p>

<p>ATHLETE:
Gender: Female
Race: Chinese
Major: Unsure, but most likely Pro Swimmer
GPA: 3.3 GPA Unweighted, 3.3 Weighted (Didn’t take AP’s because there was not enough time)
Rank: Top 30% of Class
PSAT/SAT: 150 PSAT, 1800 SAT
EC’s: AP Extra language outside of school (10 years), Karate (9 years), Piano (9 years), Violin (8 years), Swimming (9 years) (Weekend ~10 hrs, MWF ~2 hrs, TTh ~4 hrs), 300 hours volunteering over 4 years, Varsity Swimming Team since Freshman
Awards: Many, many local swimming awards, placed in sectionals and nationals, highest team in my city’s swimming team (so only few national, but many, many local), have backpack FILLED with ID cards from competitions, many meets a month
Essay: Placing first place in competition by beating the odds (talk about obstacles)
Preferred colleges: Stanford, UC Berkeley, UCLA, UCSD, UC Davis</p>

<p>STUDENT:
Gender: Female
Race: Indian
Major: CS
GPA: 4.0 Unweighted, 4.8 Weighted
Rank: Top 3-5% of Class
PSAT/SAT: 230 PSAT, 2350 SAT
EC’s: Extra language (7 years, because she worked really hard over summers and studied to skip grades in order to graduate by end of high school), Tennis (Outside of school, not on school team, highest level at city tennis park, played for 5 years), Violin (8 years), French (2 years because finished all French classes and can’t join unless taking French class during that year), Math (7 years), Computer Science (4 years), Robotics (8 years), Linguistics (4 years), and Rubik’s cuber than has gone to competitions but did not win, although very fast (sub 15 seconds, sub 10 seconds if lucky) (6 years)
Awards: Johns Hopkins Talent Search - Grand Ceremony, NCWIT National, AIME (not USAMO), lots of math competitions (participation, none won), NACLO, National AP Scholar, State AP Scholar, AP Scholar with Distinction, AP Scholar with Honors, AP Scholar, Valedictorian, NMSCF, French Honors Society Grand Concours, 200 hours volunteering over 4 years, helped middle/elementary school competitions with data entry for scores, took college level computer courses
Essay: Talk about Rubik’s cubing, went from very high times to low times; if accepted into school will continue cubing at the school cubing club (UC Berkeley, Stanford, Caltech, MIT)
Preferred Colleges: Stanford, UC Berkeley, Caltech, MIT</p>

<p>I think the Athlete should go, but only if (s)he was really, really good at the sport, not average. I think the Student should go, but only if (s)he did something that really set him/her apart from other people with pretty much the same statistics.
I guess, in my opinion, the chances are 50/50 for both people.</p>

<p>So, what’s everyone else’s opinion?</p>

<p>Thanks very much for your time and opinion!</p>

<p>~twoplusthree</p>

<p>Sounds like you’re comparing two real people with mock stats as specific as those…</p>

<p>Athlete generally only makes a big difference if recruitable for the school’s team. Otherwise, it is just another EC which typically won’t override a big difference in academic record.</p>

<p>exactly^ 10 char</p>

<p>Like ucbalumnus said, if this swimmer is getting recruited for the team, then she’s getting in. Otherwise, heck no (It’s likely neither person would get in, fwiw)</p>

<p>These are definitely not hypothetical; the explanations and detail are too punctilious.</p>

<p>Yeah, I agree that these probably aren’t hypothetical. You’re going to get a lot more respect around here if you just come out and state your question rather than pretending it’s hypothetical. If these are hypothetical, props to you. I wouldn’t have been diligent enough to take the time and create hypotheticals that detailed.</p>

<p>The above posters are correct; being an athlete will only give you much of a boost (especially the kind needed to make up for a 3.3 GPA applying to Stanford) if you’re a recruited athlete. Otherwise it’s just a strong EC (if you’ve made a strong commitment and done well at it).</p>

<p>To me, the latter applicant is much more compelling. If the first is not recruited, I don’t think she stands a chance. The second stands a chance but could of course still be rejected given the selectivity of the schools she’s interested in.</p>

<p>Thanks everyone!</p>

<p>Also, it’s 1/2 hypothetical and 1/2 real. So, the backstory. My friend and I, we’re polar opposites. One of us is academic and the other more athletic - I don’t know how we’re still friends :slight_smile: - but I won’t say who’s who to avoid bias. We were having an argument that people with strong academics would not have a chance of getting into a good college because they “have no life, all they do is study” and that colleges only want “famous athletes, not just local glories.” I decided to post on CC to see who’s right. Also, the reason I put mock statistics is because we are both freshman, and I was browsing the forums and someone said they were a sophomore, but gave Junior and Senior grades and people were kind of scolding her to not guess what’s going to happen, so to avoid that I wrote these were mock statistics, but it didn’t work.</p>

<p>So, for clarification, they’re 1/2 real, 1/2 not, they’re hopes. I know that the Athlete will win some nationals, and the other will win some more academic competitions. </p>

<p>I also have some add-on questions. If the Athlete opened up an NHS club (we don’t have one), how much of a bigger chance would she get? For the Student, if she opened up a Rubik’s Cubing Club, held competitions, became president of 2/3 other clubs, and joined the tennis team at school, how much would her chances increase? Do you guys have any tips to increase the chances of both students?</p>

<p>And lastly, what does 10 char mean?</p>

<p>Thanks, and sorry for not being honest the first time around!</p>

<p>~twoplusthree</p>

<p>Posts have to be ten characters long.
Ten characters=10char
When a post is not long enough and you have nothing se to say, use 10char.</p>

<p>Now, if you could combine the characteristics and be a national level athlete with a 4.0 GPA in the most rigorous high school courses, >700 in every SAT section, Rubik’s cube and other academic clubs, charitable volunteering, etc., wouldn’t that be something impressive?</p>

<p>lol we’re actually trying to chance two polar opposite half theoretical half real freshmen girls.</p>

<p>This post epitomizes the absurdity of this website.</p>

<p>@ugotserved834 </p>

<p>We’re 100% real.</p>

<p>@jshu755</p>

<p>Just settling an argument, athletes vs. scholars.
I added details or else people would say we need statistics to see who’s better.</p>

<p>This is a really useful question… lolz</p>

<p>This is an absurd question, but my honest opinion: the athlete has very little chance of getting in, even if she’s an amazing swimmer. It’s easier to get in as an athlete, yes, but top colleges want to maintain their statistics too, and they’re not going to want to take someone with scores and grades quite as low as that. The student has somewhat above average chances of getting in (more than the athlete, imo) but still not amazing chances because she would need something more to set her apart.</p>

<p>Unless she’s recruitable (tippy-top), the athlete has very little chance. The academic kid has somewhat more chance but still not great because there’s nothing unique.</p>