Which school should go to that will best prepare me for graduate schools?

Hello everyone! The application process is almost done for me and I am hoping that there will be somebody who can help me with the final process - college selection.

I was accepted to

Depauw University (Educational Studies)
Lawrence University (Psychology)
University of Puget Sound (Psychology)
Clark University (Educational Studies)
University of Wisconsin - Madison (Educational Studies)
University of Minnesota - Twin Cities (Child Development)
Connecticut College (Human Development)
Dickinson College (Educational Studies)

I am waiting on Miami University - Ohio (I applied to them by the extended deadline) and McGil University (Canada)

All of the school that I was accepted to gave me scholarship (with the exception of UW) and I will have to pay approximately $31000/yr. If I got accepted to Miami U I will probably have full tuition and will have to pay around 19000/yr.

I am planning on pursuing top graduate school in Education (such as Harvard, Stanford or UW-Madison). What is the school that can best prepare for my goal? Also, is it possible to directly go into PhD after finishing my undergraduate degree?

Congratulations on your acceptances! That’s a great list of school. Honestly grad school acceptances will overwhelmingly be based on how you do in college, not which one of these schools you attend. I suggest you just balance cost of attendance and your desire to attend or not attend any particular school. It is a place you will live and learn for four years. So, say Dickinson was really where you wanted to be, and it costs just a relatively a little more than your second choice, or the other choices, then go there. The same for Minnesota or any of the others.

I will ask, Wisconsin and Minnesota are very large. Minnesota is urban. Wisconsin has a very sprawling campus (which I liked). Most of the others are much, much smaller, and often in smaller towns. Several are Midwest, and a few New England, even one PNW. Where do you see yourself?

Personally, I’m a fan of Dickinson, but I don’t know anything about educational studies, and won’t be the one living there. So go with your heart, and your wallet. Have fun, good luck!

@TTG Thank you so much for your comment! I am an international student so I was not able to visit the colleges that applied to so basically I was just looking at reputation, course offerings and SAT range. I have lived in a metropolitan area for most of my life and I honestly do not know how I will fit in smaller towns.

Can you please tell me more about Dickinson? It is one of my top choices right now.

Wonderful options, congrats! Doing well, and building a portfolio of accomplishments will prepare you for grad school admissions, and that can happen at any of those schools.

I would consider ease of travel as a potentially important factor, as an international student. None of those schools are awful for international travel, though Minnesota would probably be the easiest. Connecticut College is about 2 hours from both NYC and Boston, and there is Amtrak train which stops in New London, where Conn Coll is located, so a student could travel easily up and down the east coast, potentially interesting for an international student who might not be able to travel home for breaks but would like to visit other cities during breaks. Dickinson is about 2 hours from Philadelphia and 2 hours from Pittsburgh, so not readily accessible for international travel, though it is one of my favorite schools. Lawrence is about an hour and a half from Milwaukee, and only about 30 minutes from Green Bay, though flights in and out of Green Bay are not going to be as frequent as in Milwaukee. I don’t know Clark and Puget Sound myself, though Clark is in Worcester and about an hour from Boston.

Besides travel, consider the location of the school and how that impacts your day to day experience. Depauw is in a small, Indiana town, not much there, though it is about 45 minutes from Indianapolis and about the same distance from the Indianapolis airport. A student would need a car to get to Indianapolis, if they envisioned enjoying city life in Indy. Also, Depauw has something like 80% participation in greek life (fraternities and sororities) – we know some “nerdy” kids at Depauw who are in greek life and very happy, so it seems to be the case that there is a “home” for everyone. Lawrence is in Appleton, Wisconsin, north of Milwaukee, and a neat place, with plenty going on, but, like Minnesota and Wisconsin – cold! Conn Coll is a lovely campus, but sort of on a hill, away from the town – did not seem like it was walking distance to any shopping etc. (though with uber etc., that becomes less important for students without a car). Dickinson is in a pretty town, and the town streets actually run through campus so it is easy to walk to restaurants or a drug store. It is known for its emphasis on international studies and environmental/sustainability. Wisconsin is set on a lake, with lots of winter (and summer) activities, with pond hockey in the winter and sailing in the summer, and is also the capital city, so lots going on. If a student is not in engineering or agricultural studies, classes are pretty centralized around the main part of campus, Bascom Hill, so it wouldn’t necessarily feel that big a campus.

Also consider cost – are you saying that merit awards brings your cost to around $30,000 for all of those, except for Wisconsin where you are full pay? As much as I love Wisconsin (my kid is a graduate), if you are full pay at UW, and your family cannot just write a $45-50,000 check every year without financial discomfort, then I would take it off the list.

Truly, those are wonderful options, congratulations!

Going from undergrad right to top PhD would require that you get involved in faculty research projects and be strategic about course selection by taking more than the recommended amount of research methods classes - both qualitative and quantitative.

As everyone else has written, grad schools will care much more about what you have done in college, than where you did it. But some grad programs expect a certain amount of practical life/work experience before admission. This means you should take a look at the stated admission requirements and also at any information you can find about the backgrounds of students who actually are admitted. Are the programs admitting international applicants at all? Are they admitting them directly from undergrad programs (in the US or other countries), or are they getting them as early or mid career folks from foreign Ministries of Education? Do most/all of recent grad students enter with 1/2/3/or more years of teaching/school administration experience?

@Midwestmomofboys Thank you so much for your helpful answer. I never truly gave much thoughts about the location of the school, but your answer makes me seriously think about it. UW-Madison is such a great school for my major but I guess I will have to reapply for graduate school.

What is you net cost of attendance for each school after need based aid and scholarships? What can yout family afford? Don’t forget to include the cost of health insurance (probably the college plan) — most of these schools will require you to purchase it.

For the large universities (MN & WI) – did you get into an honors program? Otherwise, I’d recommend a smaller school.

I agree that you’re probably going to need some life experiences in education before applying to a top grad school. Which state would you want to teach in? Look at teacher credentialing, salary, and any interesting educational reform initiatives that you’d like to see first-hand as well as the general quality of life in each location.

Yes, all of these schools have similarly strong recommendations. Some have different strengths and weaknesses but are similar enough in terms of reputations that I wouldn’t consider that a huge factor.

US colleges and universities are very diverse. Minnesota and Wisconsin are major research universities with tens of thousands of undergraduate students and many grad students. Minnesota is in a large metropolitan area (Minneapolis/St. Paul). Wisconsin is in a top-rated “college town” that one could call a large town or a small city. It’s the state capital and the capitol building is very close to campus. The Wisconsin campus is pretty well integrated with Madison (the city), which basically sits between two nice lakes, the campus being on one of them. Besides being the two large research universities on your list, these are will have very cold weather from about November-March. Some people are fine with that, some might find it hard to roll out of bed at 8 o’clock in the morning and walk a 1/4 or 1/2 mile to class with snow and ice everywhere. They are terrific schools.

McGill is also an urban campus and very cold. We visited the school and stayed a few days in Montreal. It’s a very nice, very bilingual (English/French) city. Miami of Ohio is also a large state university. It has a very beautiful campus and is in a smaller college town.

The others on your list are generally small liberal arts colleges (LACs). In the US, many students attend larger universities and many attend smaller LACs. Generally LACs will have smaller classes and closer interaction with professors, though you can have these as well at large universities. Wisconsin and Minnesota have large research facilities, especially for things like sciences, that you won’t find at an LAC. For professors, teaching is often the biggest focus at LACs and research at larger research universities. At Wisconsin, a typical introductory class might have a couple of hundred students and be all lecture. At Dickinson, they might have 40-50 students, rarely more than 80-100 and have more discussion. But now often larger schools require freshmen to take one small discussion class so that they get to know professors, have better writing opportunities, etc.

Neither option (large v. small) is “better.” One or the other might be better for a particular student, or in a particular field. But really they are just different options. A family might have one kid who is a better fit for a large university and one a better fit for a smaller school.

Puget Sound and Clark are more urban. Puget Sound is in Tacoma, which is more of a working, industrial sister city to Seattle, a major US city with lots to do. I know Seattle well, but not as much about Puget Sound/Tacoma. I love the Pacific Northwest (PNW). Weather is marine, so gray and rainy, but not very cold. Clark is in Worcester–nice campus, not the best area of the city, but Worcester itself has been improving a lot in the last couple of decades (had been very industrial). It’s an hour or so to Boston by commuter rail, which is a little costly but doable. Worcester is also cold and snowy. The travel advice above is good, and helpful.

As described above, the rest are small LACs in small towns. Social life tends to be focused on the campus, as their might be less to do in town/city. I know less about the midwestern LACs but can say Dickinson is an impressive school with a beautiful campus. It has about 2300 students. As noted, it has an international focus and is well-known for political science/government.

Connecticut College is also very good and is as described above.

What I can’t say is how a larger school like Wisconsin would appeal to you, in comparison with a smaller college community like Dickinson. One student might love one and not the other, and the next student might be exactly the opposite.

As noted above, almost all students have to apply to grad school after undergrad (well less than 1% of all students might be in program where, for example, they are admitted into med school when accepted undergrad, but this is definitely the exception and almost no one is doing this, and it’s very hard). If you want to go directly after undergrad, you apply your senior year, just like in high school.

Some grad schools/programs require or strongly suggest that students work for a couple of years before grad school. For example, students often work a few years before going back to get their MBA (grad business degree). It often varies by one’s field and by schools though. But that’s down the road.

Good luck!

For UW, there is not a separate Honors college, there are rather Honors programs within specific Colleges at UW… The largest College at UW is Letters & Science, and there is an Honors program within L&S through which a student can take Honors classes. However, the College of Education does not seem to have an Honors program so that seems not to be an issue for this student.

At Minnesota, there is a Child Psych major within the College of Liberal Studies, and an early childhood education within the College of Education.

Both UW and Minnesota offer programs through which a student can get their teaching license upon graduation. At least my quick look at Depauw and Dickinson show that those majors do not lead to teaching licenses which would allow a graduate to teach in public schools. Lawrence and Conn Coll seem to offer teaching certification.

Depending on the student’s goals after college, the availability of teaching licensure could be relevant.

Just to add, college classes get smaller after the introductory ones. At an LAC, you’d typically have about 20 students per class junior and senior years, sometimes less. That number might be 40 at a Wisconsin and Minnesota, or another large university, though numbers can vary by school and department and class, and can certainly be smaller. I think those are pretty good estimates though.

At all the LACs, you’ll be easily able to switch your major in relation to your graduate school goals.
Do you want to go to grad school in education and for what field?, Or do you want to become a teacher (a resolution?)

Thank you so much for all of your answers! I am overwhelmed by the help that I am getting. I really appreciate that you all take the time to thoughtfully answer my questions.

@intparent My family can afford around $31000/yr and almost all require me to pay approximately $31000/yr. They also seem to all include health insurance costs in the financial aid packages.

@AroundHere I did not get into Honors program for MN but I can always apply next year!

@MYOS1634 I am not planning on getting a teaching license in the US because I will eventually come back to my home country. I want to go to grad school in education to focus on education entrepreneurship or education leadership (maybe subjected to changes).

Hmm, that must be something new colleges are doing to show those health care costs. Maybe they got tired of surprised and unhappy international students finding their costs to be $2000+ higher per year than expected.

@intparent Really? I did not know that. I will have to email them just to make sure. Thank you very much for your comment

Does it actually have a line item for health care/insurance if it lists tuitions, fees, etc? If it doesn’t, then they aren’t including it, but most will actually require you to purchase it before you arrive on campus.

Note that this is not just access to the campus health center. That is usually included in the standard fees (sometimes you pay a small fee when you use it, too). But that facility is for small stuff like a sore throat or birth control, etc. Most of the schools on your list will require you to also have some kind of medical insurance that covers hospitalization and serious illness/injury situations. As you may have heard, health care is complex & expensive in the US. :frowning: Many colleges will just enroll you in a health care plan they provide and put it on your bill unless you can provide proof of other insurance that covers you at the college location. The cost of a year of their plan will vary by college - typically I’ve seen between $1500-$2000 for the whole year, but I have seen it higher at some schools.

And if the costs are all the same, I’d say Madison if you want a big school, and Dickinson if you like a smaller school. I have a kid who went to Dickinson, had a great experience.

@intparent I have just received a huge financial package from Miami University and that is where I will probably go to this fall.

Thank you all of you for your helpful answers