Which school will be best fit? Any chance for Stanford or Brown, Cornell? [international]

We actually asked about this at McGill. One daughter was a very talented musician, and also wrote her own music. She had considered being a music major but changed her mind after a music related tour of Europe. She also found that you get tired of your own best songs, and people keep clamoring to hear them. She since then has been neglecting her music to focus on academics, and if all goes well with be a DVM in about 9 1/2 months from now. She was however very interested at the time in continuing her music and she still does intend to get back to it once she is out of university.

Engineering is a very intensive major (which might be one thing that it has in common with veterinary medicine). You are likely to need to focus quite solidly on engineering while you are a student. Once you graduate however, you will have more time and extra energy. Having worked in high tech for my entire career, I have known quite a few engineers and mathematicians who also play music, and in many cases play music very well. I have multiple times attended a music event and seen people I knew from work get up on stage and play (and I have myself gotten up on stage and played on multiple occasions).

It certainly is possible to continue music lessons while you are at university in Canada. For example we were told at McGill that the various performance music professors augment their income by giving lessons to McGill students who are not music majors. This does imply that you would pay for the lessons. However, the difference in cost between US universities versus Canadian universities is enormous. You could pay for music lessons for probably several lifetimes given the difference in cost. McGill and Toronto are both of course superb for music, and UBC is quite good. I have also heard good things about McMaster and Queen’s (one family friend is a professor of music at one of these universities). I would expect that any of these schools would have professors who give music lessons on the side to non-music students.

But a bigger concern that I have is the difficulty in finding employment after graduating from a university in the US as a Canadian citizen. In my experience first with a degree from MIT, and then with degrees from both MIT and Stanford, this was very, very difficult. Canadian employers prefer to hire graduates from universities in Canada. American employers prefer to hire graduates who have the legal right to work in the US. For me this was a VERY BIG DEAL and a major problem. I do not have any reason to think that things have gotten better over the past several decades.

Do you parents fully understand how much university in the US costs?

I agree with other responses that you should only ED to a university that is clearly your number 1 top choice.

Predicting whether or not you will get accepted to one of the top universities in the US is exceptionally difficult. Admissions in Canada is relatively predictable, and is largely based on merit. Also, top schools in Canada do have enough spots to accept all of the academically superb students (such as you) who apply. Admissions in the US is only partly based on merit, and the top schools get many, many times more fully qualified applicants than they have places to put them.

I also agree with other comments above that Rochester is an interesting option. It has a great music program, and admissions is way more likely compared to somewhere like Stanford or Cornell. However, I still wonder what this will do in terms of your chances to get a good job somewhere around about 5 years from now. I really think that you would be way better off at one of the top universities in Canada, and taking music lessons on the side.

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Thank you so much for your detailed explanation. I will think about it. Thanks.

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I understand. That is why I do not think I should apply MIT.

I think I will only consider universities with rank above University of Toronto. Otherwise, it may not worth to go.

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it is a well known private school. guidance counselor will support my decision.

Those three schools are just coming off my mind. There are other schools like JHU, DUKE, CalTech, NorthWestern.

Open curriculum is the reason I am considering Brown. But Brown is quite a liberal school. And its engineering if not that strong compared with Stanford.

Thanks. I will not consider Rochestor for now.

Thanks for your advice.

Ranked by who using what criteria? Are those the same criteria you have for your ideal undergraduate program and experience?

Thanks for your advice. I am more leaning to Stanford. But the chance to get accepted maybe quite low

my friends told me it is like to win lottery

I have all required courses you mentioned: 4 years of English, 3 years of history/social studies and 3-4 years of a single foreign language

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I attended boarding school in Toronto and then a selective college in the US. Looking at my alumni magazine, I do not think that well known Canadian private schools are at a disadvantage at all in US admissions.

That said, they are still extremely selective schools that you’re considering. Apply to all and see how it goes.

My teacher told me to ED school lower than my expectation will give me more chances. It is really hard decision.

These are also reaches.

I would suggest you find your sure thing for admission that is affordable, and that you would be happy to attend
first. Do you already have those sure things on your application list?

I see University of Toronto! That’s good!

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QS ranking

That is not US school.

Have you considered job opportunity after graduation?

So if you have a lot of school-specific data to support this as applied to a given US college, you can consider that. I am skeptical about it as a general rule.

Like, some colleges might sometimes accept an applicant ED when they would reject or waitlist them RD, because in RD they would be concerned that applicant would very likely get multiple offers they preferred and therefore would not accept an RD offer from that college. But this concern is mooted by binding ED.

OK, so if a college like that is actually your favorite, maybe it would help to apply ED.

But if they are not your favorite–they are probably pretty good at guessing if you would get offers you would prefer, so you are giving up that strong possibility.

But very likely this doesn’t even really apply to Brown or Cornell. They can still get lots of great kids to come with RD admits because they are really not so afraid of those kids all having offers they prefer. Some will, but they will still get plenty who like them best. And then Stanford is so confident it can get the students it wants without a binding program it doesn’t even have ED.

Again, if your school has data showing a big difference controlling for other factors, OK. But if this is just speculation, at these colleges I would not put a lot of weight in it.