<p>that all faiths are a path to god is denied many times by the bible (think the ten commandments)… that’s what i think is their problem with what you call their ‘narrow interpretation of the faith’.</p>
<p>“oh, no! the bible is politically incorrect here! let’s ignore this part! ah, now that part sounds nice… let’s take this one!”–>that’s the correct way of interpreting the bible. NOT the fundamentalists’ NARROW! interpretation, of course.</p>
<p>^I know that’s their problem lol, I just reject that</p>
<p>^pkmntrainerharry, if the Bible was incorrect, that would mean that God is a liar and thus that he doesn’t exist and I’m not ready to say that at this point. There are certain things that are socially acceptable but I believe God sees as sin such as having a sexual relationship with someone who you are not married to and homosexuality. It is not wrong to have these sexual desires but to follow through with them is sin. I know that I’m gonna be called narrow minded and bigoted but I can’t see how I can compromise on anything I believe God says.</p>
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wrong 
the bible says “if you look at a woman and lust for her, you have already committed adultery with her in your heart”
to Big Father, thoughtcrime is sin, too…</p>
<p>edit: exact quote
Matthew 5:28, NIV
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.</p>
<p>That’s definitely true in that instance. Thanks for reminding me about that verse. </p>
<p>I guess what I’m trying to say is that when we get to a certain age we start having certain desires to be active sexually and I believe there are ways to suppress this desire. I’m not exactly how to phrase what I’m trying to say haha</p>
<p>Well no kidding there are ways to do so. Can’t tell ya the number of times I’ve admired a woman’s features… but I never decided “ah what the heck” and started groping her.</p>
<p>I don’t believe that you are narrow minded or bigoted. If you have those religious beliefs, who am I to tell you that you’re wrong and I’m right? Personally, I’m not a Christian of any sort, much less a religiously conservative Christian, so I don’t share those beliefs. But as long as you’re respectful to the person, you have the right to your beliefs as to whether or not they are sinning.</p>
<p>That’s how I look at it, at least.</p>
<p>^that’s what I try to do. Even though I believe what I believe, I will treat everybody the same no matter what their race, sexual orientation, beliefs etc…</p>
<p>trainerharry, do you think that orthodox Jews, who do not eat shellfish, “hate” us Gentile shellfish eaters? Why or why not?</p>
<p>Do you think that a person’s behavior is morally and practically no different from their race or gender, and that to have an opinion on a person’s behavior is thus no different from having an opinion on their race or gender?</p>
<p>If, as you say, homosexuals can be put in the same sphere as racial minorities, then what group of people <em>cannot</em> be put in the same sphere? Can I say that paranoid schizophrenics or pedophiles, who one might say are also born that way, are thus immune from any moral judgment? Why or why not?</p>
<p>Wow…this thread truly disgusts me. The intolerance demonstrated in this thread (most prominently by liberal zealots) is not very becoming. </p>
<p>My personal favorite post was the one the said that there is a single correct religious faith and that that faith is atheism. Even the patron saint of atheism, Richard Dawkins, openly states he is an agnostic who doesnt believe you can ride off any idea with 100% certainty (those ideas range from God to fairies).</p>
<p>What does it matter? You’re just being prejudiced against conservatives. I think a person will choose their major regardless of their political or religious stance. I consider myself more of a conservative, and I plan to study Economics, but I can’t say that my view of the world drove me to study this particular major. It’s more that I think that I will be able to have a better chance at changing the world in the way that I believe is better by studying something that is suited to my interests and abilities.</p>
<p>I really appreciate that, Pierre. That’s all I could really ask out of a person.</p>
<p>Tom- Well, I guess I’d say that the difference between a pedophile and a homosexual is that a homosexual isn’t hurting anyone, and that the difference between a paranoid schizophrenic and a homosexual is that a homosexual isn’t being hurt by their homosexuality (at least according to my beliefs- one could argue that we are being spiritually hurt, but I digress). I would agree with you though that homosexuality is very different then race and gender- you can choose not to show that you have homosexual attraction and to not act on those attractions. You can’t do that with race or gender.</p>
<p>@TomServo
the orthodox jews don’t necessarily hate us. but they think we’re unclean/an abomination/such. since their scriptures say so.</p>
<p>i think even that thought, that we’re unclean for not following their LORD’s wishes, is bigoted. doesn’t mean it’s illegal. you have the RIGHT be a bigot, for as long as you don’t start chasing them with an axe/bombing abortion clinics/etc. there is no such thing as thoughtcrime except if you believe in the Cosmic Dictator who reads your mind 24/7, looking for signs of lust for a woman.</p>
<p>now, if they can show HOW eating those foods constitute uncleanliness, they’re not bigots…</p>
<p>a person’s behavior CAN matter, but not always. as fiamettia said—a pedophile hurts children. homosexual acts between two consenting adults don’t. it’s only not bigoted to think someone is wrong, well, when they’re demonstrably wrong, i.e. harming others.</p>
<p>which i guess can be applied to me. those I call bigots aren’t harming me. why do i call them bigots, then? doesn’t that make me a bigot? well, i’m perfectly fine with being bigoted against bigots.</p>
<p>i like what this guy said (not sarcasm):
who cares if people are calling you bigots? you’re believing your almighty gawd!</p>
<p>@Rtgrove123
ad hominem attacks are easy to make, dude. but nobody is gonna care unless you contribute. and atheism is not a faith—but let’s not turn this thread into a god vs godless thread.</p>
<p>I predict physics (theoretical, not applied) majors to have the fewest conservatives. Especially with the particle accelerator active these days, ppl start to realize that turning lead into gold is no longer a power sorely limited to the gods, as we can do it too (although the energy invested in the process far out cost the price of gold itself). Now if we get that outer space solar power generator (or invent a cost effective nuclear fusion reactor) up working, we can turn all the nitrogen atoms into gold we want. Long live science!!!</p>
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Contradiction between asinine stereotypes of “conservatives”:</p>
<ul>
<li><p>They’re greedy and only care about making money, so they would be thrilled to turn lead into gold, as long as they can profit from it.</p></li>
<li><p>They think that turning lead into gold is a power sorely limited to the gods, and they think that it’s evil to try to usurp God of divine power.</p></li>
</ul>
<p>pkmntrainerharry-</p>
<p>My comments were not an ad hominem attack at any one person. All I am saying is is that some people have gotten into the habit of labeling quite a few people as ignorant bigots. </p>
<p>Honestly, I really don’t understand the need for this thread. Its not like anyone determines what major they are going to undertake based upon the dominant world view of those in that field. Moreover, I truly do not appreciate the constant attack upon religion (of couse most attacks have been against Christianity). I honestly couldn’t care less what your religious faith is and I will respect watever that faith is. Why do you feel compelled to attack not only conservatism but also the religion that a majority of America holds?</p>
<p>@halogen
not necessarily. the first one is such people from mondays to fridays… the second one is them on sundays 
(and when talking to other people)</p>
<p>@Rtgrove123 summarized:
you’re attacking religion! thats offensive! st-fu!</p>
<p>(social) conservatism is almost entirely based on christianity. i feel compelled to attack it because of 2 reasons:
<p>on the other hand, attacking economic conservatism/libertarianism isn’t as fun, because they can offer evidence… while social conservatism is based entirely on tradition, religion, appeal to authority, and absence of reason.</p>
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<p>well, being gay is demonstrably wrong to the hardline Christian. what is your point?</p>
<p>well, bombing infidels is ‘demonstrably’ right to the terrorist Muslims. what is your point?</p>
<p>demonstrable means you can show how it’s wrong. quoting scriptures don’t count. that’s appeal to authority (an authority which authority hasn’t been demonstrated by anything besides faith).</p>
<p>demonstrating can be done in many ways: clinical trials in medicine, showing with evidence, statistics, history, logic, etc.</p>
<p>demonstrable *|diˈm</p>
<p>Something else I noticed after rewatching Jesus Camp, a lot of social conservatives like to try to make science “Prove” things, which is an impossibility in science (the problem of induction), science can “support” a theory and eventually a theory may become a Law, but science isn’t in the field of “proving” something. That is lost on MANY social conservatives (including and especially anti-evolutionists).</p>