@aishwar6 IUPUI isi not a cc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_University_–_Purdue_University_Indianapolis
(for some reason the Purdue part won’t link. you have to past the address to go to Wiki)
Which states have good community college -> state university (including flagship) transfer pathways?
Try this link to the Wikipedia page on IUPUI:
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@aishwar6 . IUPUI is really not a Community College as one would think of Ivy Tech etc. IUPUI has its own Division 1 sports teams, Fraternity chapters etc. IUPUI has 250 majors that include both IU and Purdue degrees. A university in its own right.
Both schools have excellent programs and eventually you will end up at IUPUI or one of the other Medical schools in the system ( ie Fort Wayne). As Bloomington has no Med school if that is your end goal.
@srystress is right that you do need to make sure that the courses you take will transfer if that is your plan.
@Goodkidsdad Yeah, I will eventually end up at IU Med School at IUPUI so there is no point other than better academic rigor and research opportunities (not sure if this is true or not…but IU is a research university and looks better for me to get my diploma from here than IUPUI) at IU versus IUPUI. I have talked with my mom about the whole IUPUI-IU shindig and she does not believe I would be better off at IUPUI. She even said it is not an option for me to transfer…so, I guess I can stick it out 5 more semesters.
Med school is my end goal. I guess there is so much uncertainty about the future that grips me and shakes me to the bone…
Best of luck. You will do great things!
Try not to worry. I Advocate IUB because it is overall an outstanding school.
I also advocate IUPUI for Medical Disciplines because your professors are practicing a block away. Your mentors are available from “day one”.
Which is better? I really dont know. Maybe IUPUI is a more direct route. But who knows?
Both are good …and great choices.
NJ has a website njtransfer.org which is great for the purpose of community college transfers to NJ universities. Many of the individual community colleges also have specific agreements with certain Universities. Rutgers has a program with one or more of the Community Colleges. Generally, your 2 year degree/credits will transfer to the 4 year school. There are programs in place to plan the transfer. My son did it and it went great. The second son has taken various classes at the CC during his time at Rowan and was able to transfer the credits with no problem. I posted a few lines from the Statewide Transfer Agreement. Sorry for the formatting, I copied and psted from a pdf.
One good part if your student is a slow starter as a freshman, is that the gpa doesn’t transfer, only the credits. The grades will be on the transcript with a ‘T’ for transfer, as in TB+. Of course, if you get all A’s you don’t get the gpa boost at the 4 yr school!
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COMPREHENSIVE STATE
WIDE TRANSFER AGREEMENT
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PURPOSE
: Seamless transition from public associate to public baccalaureate degree programs and
supporting the successful acquisition of baccalaureate degrees by transfer students.
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General Principles
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An A.A. or A.S. degree from a New Jersey community college will be fully transferable as
the first two years of a baccalaureate degree program at New Jersey public four year
institutions
I’m guessing that the community college to flagship transfer system is smoother in states where the flagship universities do not have their own extensive branch campus system.
For example, Penn State’s tens of branch campuses directly compete with community colleges. The Penn State Branches cost 3 times as much in tuition. Many students attend the branch campuses because they know they have an automatic right of transfer to the main campus after 2 successful years at a branch. The main campus is much more fun and interesting. I imagine that promise leaves many fewer spots for people who want to transfer from community colleges. I believe most of the PA. community college transfers go to state-owned universities, and not to Penn State main. Those lesser-known state-owned universities have made it easy to transfer from in-state community colleges, because they need the students. Most of the state-owned universities have been shrinking in enrollment in PA.
Meanwhile, most major Va. public universities do not have many branches. For undergrads, UVa only has one small affiliated branch in an isolated part of the state. I don’t think Va. Tech has any branches for undergrads. Therefore, they have been more open to community college transfers.
Yes, that seems to be another way that Pennsylvania is unfriendly to students from lower income families. The schools fulfilling the role of community colleges as transfer-prep schools to the flagship (i.e. PSU branch campuses) are significantly more expensive than community colleges, so that can be financially unattractive to those with little money.
I very impress with the State of Florida System, where students can transfer to the State Universities after obtaining their Associate Degree. There is pretty much identical course numbering system, online access to prerequisites for all available majors and a wide range of Community Colleges (State Colleges) within easy commuting distance (students from certain countries can commute to at least 6-8 local CC). Any student that graduate from of the State Colleges with an AA degree are guaranteed acceptance into at least one of the 4-year universities. Some of the State Colleges do offer 4-year degrees on a limited basis (only a few majors) and tuition is less than $115 per credit.
High school students have easy access to these CC for on-campus Dual Enrollment classes, allowing them to minimize total college cost once they graduate HS. The only drawback I see with Florida, is the lack of a good public transport system. Have access to a car can be a hurdle for many CC students.
MiraCosta College in Oceanside, CA has a new program called UniversityLink for low income students (under $40,000) looking to transfer to UC San Diego, and they even have a separate program for those interested in Medical School
https://admissions.ucsd.edu/transfers/prep-programs/university-link.html
Arizona’s community college system works well with ASU, UA, and NAU.
@Charliesch, @ucbalumnus, do you know if the more in-demand PASSHE schools (I’m thinking specifically of West Chester) take many kids from community colleges?
Also, how hard is to transfer to Pitt or Temple from community college without having to make up credits?
And, yes, PA is an excellent example of which states do NOT have good community college pathways to the flagship!
You probably have to investigate the schools themselves in terms of their transfer admissions.
You probably want to see if the CC in question has an articulation agreement with the university in question, and whether it covers enough of the frosh/soph courses to allow a transfer student to come in without needing excessive numbers of “catch up” courses for his/her major.
https://oafa.pitt.edu/apply/admissions-process/transfers/transfer-creditgpa-guidelines/
http://www.temple.edu/vpus/transfer/agreements.htm
Luciethelakie - I don’t have any first hand knowledge. However, even the more selective public universities in PA. lose many of their students before their junior year. Therefore, they need transfers to fill their classes. Statistics show that students who complete 2 years of community college and do well in those classes are likely to do very well at 4 year colleges. I believe most public universities in PA. have agreements to accept PA. community college class credit, and many have transfer agreements. It may be harder to transfer community college credits across state lines to some colleges.
The one place transfers may be harder may be Penn State - because they guarantee transfers to students from their tens of branch campuses. If Penn State would make it too easy to transfer from a community college to their main campus, fewer people would pay the high tuition Penn State charges at their branch campuses.
How is state residency figuring into this discussion?
It’s moot if NC has a great CC-to-4yr pipeline, but the cost is out of reach for OOS students.
Indiana has a very clear process, and the transfer agreements extend beyond the pubic schools. Students can check all community college courses against a database for most of the state’s schools. They also have a good selection of online classes, and the tuition is affordable.
In PA, the path is branch campus- flagship
(this also applies to Pitt, since Pitt Johnstown, Bradford, Titusville, and Greensburg).
OR community college - directional system (PASSHE schools).
WCU does take a fair amount of transfers.
Ohio, to a certain extent, works like this (Ohio State branch campus is a better way to get tOSU Main Campus than CC).
Some midwestern states’ community colleges, even Indiana which I see quoted above, have limited offerings with an emphasis on both remedial and vocational education for the community. It’s their primary goal and they do a good job with it. They’re inexpensive and efficient, but may not serve your typical 18 year old who’s too poor to attend the flagship and is looking for 2 years of “flagship substitute” to save money; winter weather, isolation (rural areas) and roads may make it difficult to commute to a CC that has a more “academic” program with decent transfer rates. There may well be a directional that’s as open-enrollment as the community college, where classes are not more rigorous, and which would be an alternative… sometimes not even that expensive (Nebraska or Wyoming for instance).
I remember the closest community college when I lived in the Midwest only offered one section of Calculus 1 and nothing above it, only the first semester or first year sequence in any college science, only levels 1 and 2 in Spanish (no other foreign language)… The college served as a remedial/vocational center for local adults. A student with a handful of Aps would have exhausted the curriculum. Getting to a community college with more extensive offerings required a car and someone willing to drive 30mn in the summer, much more in the winter. Fortunately, it happened to be a state with good state grant aid, so the strong HS student could afford to study at the flagship if that’s where they were admitted. In the states with a “covenant”, it may well have been more economical for lower-income students to attend the flagship. Some of these “covenant” programs are being dismantled, which is really too bad.