So I recently pulled out of UC San Diego because for my first year I was forced to pay out of state residency tuition (about 50,000 for my freshman year) The kid in me senior year of my school in CT was at the envy of most of my friends but the practical side of me finally caught up and I realized I wasn’t looking to have that tremendous of a debt for undergrad, since I plan to go to law school etc. Anyways I’m going to be attending a JC in Torrance called El Camino. I’m going to major in history with a focus in pre-law/attending law school after undergrad. Any tips on which UC’s I should shoot for that offer good history programs/pre-law options? UCLA is very transfer friendly and I know they have a law school which would offer good intern possibilities with professors, but I also hear Davis has a pretty good history program as well as of course Berkeley, which even rivals Yale’s program
One problem is that you won’t qualify for instate tuition if you only move here for school…are you okay to pay OOS prices for your last two years?
My dads been here working since January. I left San Diego because the first year would have to be out of state which is too much. My first year of cc is out of state but from sophomore on, for sure in state!
Are you sure?
I would call individual UC’s to make sure because your situation sounds like it could have complications. Calling and finding out would save you time and money if your assumptions are misplaced.
The California Community Colleges (CCCs) will probably consider you as a resident but the UCs will likely not consider you as a California resident if they initially considered you as a non-resident unless you take a gap year with no enrollments at a CCC, CSU, or UC. The rationale behind this is that they consider your move as motivated by “educational opportunities” which requires additional (often unattainable) evidence of intent to stay in CA.
If you search the forum and you will see that the only successful residency reversals with no gap year were due to military relocations, court approved legal exemptions, or involved large purchases of capital.
Please review: http://ucop.edu/residency/10-things-undergrads.html (Specifically #2, #3, and #9)
The only thing I’m confused on is that UCSD said that my father working for 1 full calendar year at this upcoming January ensures my residency tuition for the next 3 years, they even had us appeal to try and attain it THIS winter and spring quarter, which unfortunately did not pan out…so if i pay out of state costs at a CC (obviously really cheep nevertheless) for 2 years (which by that time I’ll have residency through my fathers working) shouldn’t I be able to have residency at a UC for the last 2 years? considering San Diego was going to give it to me even SOPHOMORE year.
check number 6 http://ucop.edu/residency/10-things-undergrads.html
certainly better than four years…but I didn’t move for tuition purposes, my dad got a job here in September 2014 and registered/payed taxes/etc in January 2015. Parents paying taxes and all that stuff ensures residency right? UCSD said I am good for residency years 2 3 and 4 so I’m not sure now… check out #6 I’m pretty sure thats what applies http://ucop.edu/residency/10-things-undergrads.html
It’s not just physical presence, but every single residence-connection to the past home must be relinquished. They will go through that inch by inch and is often the thing that forfeits CA residency.
If you go to a CC as a non resident, without a gap, and pay non-resident tuition, you may be forfeiting your residency status at the receiving UC. It depends on how the university defines it. (By the way UCLA is not that transfer friendly.)
Point being: that the state wants you helping with your instate fees by working and paying taxes on a full time basis. Look at the residency definitions. San Diego assumed that you were going to attend their site and were interpreting the residency according to your family paying full tuition. Now you’re planning to attend a CC. The UC you apply to will automatically note the OOS high school, the CC full fees and may still charge you full fees if you were not working. It depends on how residency is determined by their staff.
yeah my parents are divorced and i live with my dad, she has the house and pays it off and all, he has relinquished all ties, works here, has his CA drivers license, pays tax here, registered to vote here, and I’m dependent of course.
I don’t believe the CCC status has any bearing. As long as the rules regarding indicia and physical presence are met (based on the rules and time frame of the UC), plus you are a dependent of your father - those are the determinations. As long as those requirements are met within the UC timeframe, it should be good. But I say that with hesitation because the desires of both parties are diametrically opposed: an applicant desires CA residency. The UC desires the opposite. So there’s a built-in struggle.
I’m not sure why someone would say UCLA is not transfer-friendly. Maybe I am missing something somewhere.
Your father working here is unfortunately is NOT enough to grant you residency by itself. Again see #2 & #3.
It varies case by case, but it’s usually not enough as it doesn’t prove an intent to stay “permanently” in California to the level required by the UCs. (from #6)
Like @lindyk8 mentioned, you need to combine physical presence with intent for (an implied continuous) 366 days prior to your residency evaluation. The residency requirements include an extensive list of “legal indicia of intent” that must be reviewed…and given point #9 is rarely approved.
Source: http://ucop.edu/general-counsel/_files/ed-affairs/uc-residence-policy.pdf (Page 14-17)
The fact that your appeal was unfavorable is something you need to delve into more. Depending on the rationale behind the decision, it likely will point to reason(s) why you may not be granted residency in the future.
You should consider that there are a significant number of OOS HS students who move to California prior to their senior year and graduate from a CA HS that are not given residency. They almost certainly have a better case for residency by the UC definition and yet are still denied.
Bottom line: while you may not have moved here for educational purposes, the process of proving that to the UCs “objectively” and in “totality” without a gap year is an extremely difficult task given your circumstances.
You would be better off with a gap year as you cannot tell what the UCs will rule in the future. You were going to be lucky with what UCSD said.