<p>“Of course you would dismiss the importance of arguably the three most prestigious fellowships in the country Alexandre.”</p>
<p>I did not dismiss the impostance of the Rhodes or Marshall awards. They are two of the most distinguished awards handed out to students annually. I also don’t believe that the Churchill is one of the 3 most prestigious awards. I merely stated that the Rhodes scholarship is not an accurate indicator of insitutional excellence.</p>
<p>“These statistics don’t really help bolster your one-track mind agenda to make the University of Michigan be seen on par with the non-HYP Ivies and other elite private schools do they? Of course you would bring up the Fullbright as a so-called “reliable” metric just because Michigan has performed relatively well compared to the top private schools in this regard.”</p>
<p>Michigan does well with the Rhodes scholarships as well. Michigan (with 25 recipients) has produced as many Rhodes scholars as Cal (22), Columbia (27), Cornell (27), Emory (17), Johns Hopkins (18), Northwestern (15), Penn (19), Texas-Austin (27), Vanderbilt (26), WUSTL (25) and Wisconsin-Madison (29). I don’t know why my defending Michigan has anything to do with some secret agenda. I am not biased in favor of Michigan. My opinion about Michigan was formed before I enrolled there as a student and has not changed since. You don’t see me starting threads on the general forum that promote Michigan (like many other posters do to bolster the image of their schools) in any way do you? </p>
<p>“The rarer the fellowship, the more institutional pride it brings when a student attains it. The fact that Harvard has had 2-3 Rhodes winners on an annual basis for the past several decades is nothing short of miraculous. There’s a reason why its the best college in the world.”</p>
<p>2-3 Rhodes per year…out of 1,600 graduates? That’s exactly what I am talking about lesdiablesbleus. Once you get past HYP, no university produces more than 1 Rhodes scholar annually. I did some desktop research just now, trying to determine the top 25 research universities in the nation based the number of Rhodes Scholars and on Fullbright Scholars over a certain period of time. I have found data for Rhodes scholars since 1902 and for Fullbright scholars since 1993.</p>
<p>RHODES SCHOLARS (average number of annual recipients since 1902):
- Harvard University (3)
- Yale University (2)
- Princeton University (1.7)
- Stanford University (0.76)
- Dartmouth College (0.55)
- Brigham Young University (0.40)
- Brown University (0.40)
- University of Chicago (0.40)
- University of Virginia (0.40)
- University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill (0.38)
- Duke University (0.36)
- Massachusetts Institute of Technology (0.36)
- University of Wisconsin-Madison (0.27)
- Columbia University (0.25)
- Cornell University (0.25)
- University of Montana (0.25)
- University of Texas-Austin (0.25)
- University of Oklahoma (0.24)
- Vanderbilt University (0.24)
- University of Kansas (0.23)
- University of Michigan-Ann Arbor (0.23)
- University of Mississippi (0.23)
- Washington University-St Louis (0.23)
- University of Arizona (0.22)
- University of Minnesota-Twin Cities (0.22)
- West Virginia University (0.22)</p>
<p><a href=“Office of the American Secretary | The Rhodes Scholarships”>http://www.rhodesscholar.org/assets/PDF/2010/Institutions_for_Website_6_29_10.pdf</a></p>
<p>To recap, one of the top 10 (BYU) and six more (Montana, Arizona, Mississippi, Kansas, Oklahoma and West Virginia) of the top 25 leaders in Rhodes Scholarship recipients attended universities that are not ranked anywhere near the top 50 universities in the nation according to any respected ranking source and with the exception of HYP, no university has produced more than 1 Rhodes recipient annually. Heck, all but 5 universities have produced less than 0.5 Rhodes scholars annually.</p>
<p>FULLBRIGHT SCHOLARS (average number of annual recipients since 1993):
- Harvard University (25)
- Yale University 23)
- University of California-Berkeley (22)
- University of Michigan-Ann Arbor (20)
- Columbia University (18)
- Stanford University (18)
- Princeton University 17)
- University of Wisconsin-Madison (16)
- University of California-Los Angeles (15)
- University of Chicago (15)
- Duke University (14)
- University of Texas-Austin (13)
- Cornell University (12)
- Northwestern University (12)
- Pennsylvania State University (12)
- University of Pennsylvania (12)
- Indiana University-Bloomington (11)
- Boston College (10)
- Tufts University (10)
- Johns Hopkins University (8)
- New York University (8)
- University of Minnesota-Twin Cities (8)
- University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill (8)
- University of Washington (8)
- Washington University-St Louis (8)</p>
<p><a href=“http://us.fulbrightonline.org/program_universities_us.php[/url]”>http://us.fulbrightonline.org/program_universities_us.php</a></p>
<p>To recap, every single one of the 25 leaders in the production of Fullbright Scholarship reciptients is among the top 50 universities in the nation and all of them have produced, on average, 10 or more recipients annually.</p>
<p>Personally, I don’t think either award proves anything, but if I were to rely on an award as being somewhat (and very loosely) indicative of a university’s academic prowess, I would be inclined to glance over the Fullbright list than the Rhodes list.</p>
<p>“No offense to the Fullbright but it quite frankly is not that prestigious of a fellowship and pretty easy to win. The University of Minnesota had 14 Fullbright winners this past year for crying out loud. It is not nearly in the same league as a fellowship like the Rhodes, the Marshall or the Truman.”</p>
<p>And yet:</p>
<p>1) Harvard, Yale and Cal lead the nation in the number of Fullbright scholars
2) More Fullbright scholars (40 to be exact) have gone on to win the Nobel Prize than the recipients of any other scholarship program </p>
<p>“Most students at elite universties would choose any banking or consulting and even TFA over doing the Fullbright. The fact that you even bring this statistic up is laughable. Only like 30 Duke students even bother to apply for this fellowship now and the number is even less in other schools. Students at elite universities are gunning for bigger and better prizes.”</p>
<p>I doubt that. Most Fullbright scholars intend on pursuing a career in academe. The vast majority end up getting their PhDs and joining academe. And the interest level in the Fullbright at elite universities is still going strong,though apparently not at Duke. At Harvard, roughly 100 top students enter their candidature for the award annually. 80-100 students from Brown, Cal, Chicago, Columbia, Cornell, Michigan, Northwestern and Yale apply for the Fullbright scholarship annually too. And I have no idea what the TFA has to do with this discussion. If there is a joke in this entire discussion, it is your bringing up TFA into this discussion.</p>