<p>Texas A&M is great for engineering. West Texas A&M, less so. For comparison: in 2012-13, WTAMU graduated 39 engineering majors, while the main TAMU campus graduated 2,373. Here’s a website with all sorts of statistics about the Texas A&M university system: <a href=“http://analytics.tamus.edu/”>http://analytics.tamus.edu/</a></p>
<p>Okay, thank you. So it’s a so-so university I guess.
Compared with CUNY CSI, which one is better? I’m not finding any SAT score ranges…</p>
<p>Yes, TAMU is very good and even though it has the reputation of being a conservative school, I would have applied there, if it wouldn’t be this expensive :D.</p>
<p>Would you think CUNY CSI and WTAMU are worth the out of state tuition, if you think that I could attend university for free in Germany or Scotland?</p>
<p>What are your goals for after college? Which country are you hoping to settle down in one day?</p>
<p>I think CUNY CSI would be worth it because being near NYC offers lots of opportunities you wouldn’t have in Germany or Scotland. For WTAMU it depends on your goals.
I suppose that anything with “Univesity of New York” will work back home - not certain, just guessing.
You could always apply to a variety of CUNY/SUNY schools beside CSI (CCNY has housing too)…?
You could also see how WTAMU coordinates with TAMU - this is something you should inquire about, ie., if after one year or two you wanted to transfer to TAMU how easy would it be, do they have stats about it, etc. Of course if the problem is cost, then it wouldn’t matter whether you can transfer or not.</p>
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<p>@MYOS1634
Thanks :). CSI is very cheap compared to other colleges, so I think it’s a good decision. I’m just unsure about how they will look at my degree here.</p>
<p>Here’s the deal. German employers don’t seem to trust Bachelor’s degrees from American universities. Sometimes the name of the university is enough to convince them otherwise (e.g. a Harvard or Stanford degree) but they are not going to like a degree from a random university like WTAMU or CUNY-CSI. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, German universities don’t like American Bachelor’s degrees either. If you wanted to enroll in a Master’s degree program at a German university afterwards, you’d probably have to supply a syllabus for every single engineering class you have taken, and then take every class required for a German Bachelor’s degree that’s not equivalent to a class you’ve already taken in the US… </p>
<p>American graduate degrees seem to be better accepted in Germany. However, getting a Master’s degree in engineering in the US would add more expenses… PhD students are normally funded, but with a degree from a random university like WTAMU, you’d probably not be a good candidate for a decent PhD program.</p>
<p>As far as your future is concerned, I’d say that you’d probably be better off with an engineering degree from Germany or Scottland than one from a university like WTAMU.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I firmly believe that good US colleges provide a “better” education than German universities. German university might present you more material, but I personally learn the material so much better with the American hands-on approach. In the US, classes tend to be smaller, instructors more accessible, and there tends to be more work assigned, but in a good way. For example, an American engineering class might have weekly graded problem sets, weekly graded labs, 3 graded exams and one big final project (also graded). In the end, you will know the material much better than in German-style classes where you might have weekly ungraded homework and a single graded final exam. </p>
<p>Re accessiblity of faculty: In the US, undergraduate students can join research groups. Try that in Germany! (I have also played cards with my professors, been invited to professors’ homes, gotten career advice from professors and stopped by their office hours to chat about “random” topics related to their area of expertise.)</p>
<p>Thank you, yeah that’s absolutely right. Neither German employers nor universities like American Bachelor’s. I asked the university in my city about that and they said that I’d have to take a test in which they determine if I learned all of the things I would’ve learned in Germany.
So, I’m definitely not going to apply to WTAMU anymore. Also, I’ve to think about if I should apply to CUNY CSI, but I think I won’t. In other countries this degrees are pretty much accepted, but the Germans are strange.</p>
<p>Yes, I also believe that US colleges are better than German u’s. It’s pretty much complicated, profs don’t care, they even don’t have fair grades and if you want to attend a good u for engineering, the drop out rate is almost 50%, in other majors it’s mainly the same. They also don’t have any research group for students (except for the private u’s). This is one of the reasons why I would want to study in your country.</p>
<p>As for the other universities I mentioned, USF and FAU, do you think German employers will trust their degrees or is it, in general, good if I get a degree from one of these two universities in comparison to Scotland or Germany?</p>
<p>I don’t think there’ll be a big difference between CSI and FAU, frankly. Your best bet may be to plan to get a Master’s degree after your BA/BS.</p>
<p>And between USF and CSI? So would USF be good or not, if you look at my situation?</p>
<p>German Bachelor degrees are not accepted in the US by many universities, because many times it’s a three year degree with 180ECTS which equal 90 credit hours.</p>
<p>USF > CSI. You should apply to a few universities. An advantage you have is that German universities don’t know American colleges, so for them there’s no difference between Eckerd and FAU or between USF and CSI. Do your best, get an impressive resume, take the GRE since it’s internationally recognized, and negotiate entrance into a German MAster’s if you don’t want an American Master’s or can’t find an OPT job.</p>
<p>USF (the University of South Florida, that is) seems to have stronger engineering programs than FAU, as far as I can tell from a distance. </p>
<p>I have to disagree with MYOS1634: I doubt the GRE would help you with admissions to a German Master’s program. The GRE is a general verbal and math test very similar to the SAT, except that GRE math is even easier than SAT math. German universities seem more concerned about your subject-specific preparation than your English vocabulary.</p>
<p>On the upside, universities in some other countries do seem to accept American Bachelor’s degrees. A few of my classmates from college went to graduate school in the UK, for example.</p>
<p>I’d take the GRE anyway, since I’d like to have an American Master :).
The U of Marburg will look at my grades (max. 4 points), at my qualifications (i.e. modules I took) (max. 4 points) and at my letter of motivation (max. 2 points) and will rate what I’ve done with points. I will need at least 7 in order to be admitted. I don’t know if they may give a point for a good GRE score.
In addition, the university needs to be formally recognized in Germany.</p>
<p>I’m really unsure about CUNY CSI now. Since they don’t seem to give out scholarships for international students, it’s overall cost of attendance is higher than 30,000$. I don’t know if it makes sense to apply there…</p>
<p>What attracted you to the College of Stated Island in the first place? It offers barely any engineering classes, it’s not well-known, it’s located in a rather expensive part of the country, and it’s a commuter campus, so you wouldn’t even get the “traditional” college experience. </p>
<p>Mainly the location and that it’s easy to get in and that they have dorms. I think even if I applied there, I wouldn’t want to attend CSI because of the costs. And my parents are not really keen about CSI.</p>
<p>I didn’t know it’s so hard to find a university that fits me. Most students in Germany (who want to stay there) apply anywhere, most people do even choose the university after the city they want to go to. But that’s not a problem there, because even if you attend Westfaelische Hochschule Zwickau, which is a polytechnic U by the way, you’re gonna find a job and have no problems with doing your master at most universities in the country. And many employers don’t even care where you get your degree from, as long as it’s done in Germany. But that’s also where the difference is, you won’t have a chance to find a job without a Master.</p>
<p>You’re right, this college doesn’t fit my needs.</p>
<p>So, CSI is out ;)</p>
<p>Have you looked into Missouri School of Science and Techonology? What about UMN-Twin Cities?
What about University of Alabama’s College of Engineering? Penn State-Erie/The Behrend College? Montana Tech (of the University of Montana)? Michigan State or Michigan Tech? Texas Tech? Louisiana State at Lafayette?
Do you want to study Engineering specifically or Computer Science?
(I’m not sure any of these is still taking applications, you have to check).</p>
<p>Missouri S&T accepts applications until June 1, but it’s CoA is 38,000$. According to their net price calculator, I do not qualify for a merit.
UMN Twin Cities’, U of Alabama’s and Penn State’s CoA is also about 38,000$, and I’m not sure if I could get a merit/Penn State does not have any financial assistance, unfortunately. But they still do accept applications.
Do you think there is any chance that they offer a scholarship, even if they don’t say this on their site?</p>
<p>No, it’s Engineering. Either Aerospace Engineering or Industrial Engineering. Depends on the uni. It would be also nice, if I could take Mass Communications as a minor, but this is a want, not a must.</p>
<p>I think Penn State Behrend (Erie) costs less because it’s a branch campus, but they have engineering. I ran the quick calculator and tuition, room&board would be slightly above $30,000.
Missouri would be $32,000 for the same thing.
According to “calculate your costs”, UMN would be $28,000 for tuition, room, and board, so, within budget.</p>
<p>FWIW: If you might want to stay in the US after college, do NOT study aerospace engineering. Most aerospace engineering jobs are for military defense contractors; these positions require US citizenship and a security clearance. (Even if you were to become a US citizen one day, it’s still unlikely that you would get a high-level security clearance because you have spent a significant portion of your life abroad.) </p>
<p>Ditto for graduate school. An international friend of mine wanted to get a PhD in aerospace engineering at a US university. She was rejected from all programs; several programs told her that they wouldn’t be able to fund her because their funding is for US citizens only. She ended up switching to a different engineering specialty.</p>
<p>Well, the cost of attendance of Penn State Erie is aprox 38,000$, I’ve used their net price calculator. Also the Bigfuture search shows the same amount (they’ve added personal expenses & transportation).
Oh, sorry, I didn’t see you edited your post :(. I’ll check out the other universities.</p>
<p>@b@r!um
Are you sure? I thought about working for Boeing or Nasa. Everytime I see what these aerospace engineers achieve, I know it’s what I should do. If I want to stay in the U.S., I will need a Greencard. I entered the lottery this year, but it’s still a lottery.
But I would also love to major in Industrial Engineering, because it combines engineering and business (which I really like). So I think I should apply without choosing a program (like I did for USF) first, and if I really want to become an aerospace engineer, maybe I should choose Mechanical Engineering and then choose Aerospace Engineering for my Master.
But don’t I even have a chance to work for Boeing or Nasa?</p>
<p>So, when you say $30K, you mean tuition, room&board, fees, books, transportation, and miscellaneous?
(I checked Tuition + Room and Board at Penn State Erie and it was below $30,000, but I didn’t include books, transportation, and miscellaneous, only what you’d have to pay the school, since the rest depends a bit on you and your habits.)
There won’t be that many schools that fit below 30K for OOS public. USF and the Florida Publics probably indeed.
Check UMN-Morris, the SUNY’s, Bemidji State, MN State-Mankato, St Cloud State, Winona State, SD School of Mines and Tech, the PASSHE schools, Framingham State (MA), Marshall U, Shepherd U, Montana Tech, NC A&T (HBCU, good for engineering), Savannah State, UNebraska-Kearney or Omaha or Lincoln, UWI Oshkosh, UWI La Cross, UWI Eau Claire, UWI Stevens Point, UWI Superior,
(at most of these, you’d likely get into the Honors College if there’s one.)
Rowan, Salisbury (MD), Truman State, Appalachian State, U Illinois Springfield, should be within the ballpark.
Then you’d need to check their “Academics” page to see what majors they offer;.</p>