<p>If you could somehow know what the price of success would be, would you still want to be successful? I asked that question when I heard of Whitney Houston’s death…</p>
<p>^ ^ Great success happens, not planned imho. Who wants to be a Mozart and die in their 30s?</p>
<p>The Dubai fountain video is incredible! Thank for posting.</p>
<p>Mozart’s death resulted from rheumatic fever, not from success. And Whitney Houston (most probably) died of a drug overdose, not from music. Plenty of talented musicians and composers live long and happy lives but , when they die young and still famous, the public loves to mythologize their death and career.</p>
<p>All of us, given a choice, would like to live long, happy, brilliant lives free of the bad consequences of temptation (if not temptation itself), surrounded by people who love us in spite of our failings. Some manage to live such charmed lives. Many of us do fine with less perfect lives. Some people succeed brilliantly in some aspects of their lives and fail spectacularly, and sometimes publicly, in other ways. None of these lives is better than any other. My philosophy is to live the best life I can and assume other people are trying to do the same.</p>
<p>Another thanks for that Dubai fountain tribute to Whitney Houston. Sort of … otherworldly.</p>
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<p>Yes, LOL! Don’t save me from temptation, just the bad consequences of temptation. Thanks for the smile…</p>
<p>I’m not offended by Celine’s comments. She sounds afraid of addiction and believes the availability of drugs is easy when you’re a star. Whitney admitted in the past she had addiction issues. Studies show addiction is very hard to shake and addicts will do things that otherwise ‘normal’ people would not at risk to themselves and others, including loved ones. </p>
<p>I am happy to hear her funeral will be in the church she grew up in, surrounded by her family - biologocal and church.</p>
<p>I wish people would stop saying she died of an overdose. WE do not know that yet. I want to give her the benefit of the doubt before that is determined.</p>
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<p>And I think I heard it was by invitation only, which will be nice for the family. A more public memorial can be held at another time.</p>
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<p>Completely agree. Why has no one mentioned possible suicide? What I read was that the last public appearance she had, she looked quite a mess - could be from drugs and/or alcohol, or depression. With the impending Grammys coming the next day, and another year’s reminder that she had fallen out of favor with the recording industry, perhaps she deliberately took the Xanax and drank alcohol, set herself in the bathtub, full well knowing what would happen. Her respiratory system would struggle, she’d then drown while unconscious. No huge mess, no gun, etc. I know this sounds weird to wonder, but I do wonder if she was found clothed or not in the bathtub. If clothed, then it would be more obvious it was a suicide; she would know she would be found dead in the tub and might want to spare others the trauma of finding her naked there. If she was naked, then perhaps it was unintended, an MI, stroke, or something else she succumbed to due to abusing her body. I’m not completely convinced it was an accidental overdose, yet.</p>
<p>Teriwtt, Gene Simmons was on Tv today and said exactly that, it was suicide…when asked to explain, he said it speaks for itself( ithink he menat his comments)</p>
<p>Gene simmons from Kiss,in case anyone cares</p>
<p>I really don’t think speculating about suicide is helpful either. That scenario to me is not likely given anything I’ve heard .</p>
<p>You can get pretty relaxed in a warm tub. A little wine, a couple of zanax, easy to fall asleep and slip under the water. They said nothing was found that wouldn’t be in any ones bathroom & it appeared she was performing beauty rituals. ( skin/hair )</p>
<p>EK, i don’t have Zanax in my bathroom,nor wine…just soap,shampoo and a towel…</p>
<p>the only thing is there was no obvious signs of anything MI or stroke as they are waiting for toxicology results.</p>
<p>Its xanax, not zanax, and IIRC the pill bottles they found were valium, not xanax. That said, who knows what was in the pill bottles. At any rate, both are benzos and their sedating effects are exacerbated by alcohol (a CNS depressant). </p>
<p>I agree that its best to wait until the tox results are back and not speculate. I’ve not heard anyone postulate that this was a purposeful event, and certainly the value/credibility of a comment by Gene Simmons is right up there with the credibility of Celine Dion and the Daily News :rolleyes: She loved her daughter and had just finished making a movie. Her body guards had advised against baths in the past , insisting on showers, because of the risks involved in getting , for lack of a better phrase, “too relaxed”. Under normal circimstances falling asleep in the tup should cause a rude awakening when one starts to inhale water. But the possible combo of benzos and alcohol and whatever else may show up are not a good thing to mix with a warm, relaxing bath.</p>
<p>thanks for the correction- I should have known that- my D took them when she was 5. I don’t think valium is as strong.</p>
<p>Depends on the dosages. But this is interesting [Xanax’s</a> deadly dosages: Whitney Houston would not be first to overdose on prescription drugs, alcohol mix](<a href=“http://www.palmbeachpost.com/health/xanaxs-deadly-dosages-whitney-houston-would-not-be-2173749.html?cxtype=ynews_rss]Xanax’s”>http://www.palmbeachpost.com/health/xanaxs-deadly-dosages-whitney-houston-would-not-be-2173749.html?cxtype=ynews_rss)</p>
<p>on a measured basis xanax is stronger, but valium is also a muscle relaxant.
I certainly am not saying it is a good idea obviously to mix alcohol with meds, but I don’t think it is uncommon.</p>
<p>They are both benzoidiazepines, EK. I believe xanax now has a long acting version. Previously they just had a short-acting med, and people had rebound anxiety from it, which in combination contributed to the tendency to increase the frequency of use, acclamate to lower doses, and set themselves up for trouble.</p>