Who do you know that didn't get into JHU? How good were they?

<p>Just seeing what the consensus is at everyone's high schools. One person admitted? Two people? Lots? None? What happened with JHU and your school. Of the people that DIDNT get in, were they a strong applicant??</p>

<p>JHU admissions were very weird this year. i know of five people that applied to JHU. we were all very strong applicants. 2300+, 3.9+ GPA's, solid extracurriculars, teacher recs, essays and so forth.</p>

<p>3 of us were rejected, two of us (including me) were waitlisted.</p>

<p>a random person that i didn't even know was in my high school (900 students in senior class) apparently got in.</p>

<p>maybe jhu is protecting their yield? (don't quote me on that). getting the jhu WL a few days before my other schools came out (duke, amherst, and the ivies) made me very nervous, but i guess it didn't matter much, since i ended up getting accepted to duke, amherst, cornell, dartmouth and princeton(!!).</p>

<p>so yeah, overall as a school, we did horribly with applicants in the top5% of our class. so i don't know what went wrong there.</p>

<p>Were they all science/engineering, pre-med? I get the sense Hopkins is harder than any school on these students... while science interests are usually a + at other schools, Hopkins (perhaps?) is inundated with applicants with interests in those disciplines?</p>

<p>Indeed JHU is so weird this year. I got waitlisted too. But I didn't feel heart-broke since JHU is not quite my type. Perhaps JHU is afflicted with Tufts syndrome this year? Among my friends, One got into Stanford but rejected here, another got into Caltech but waitlisted here, one got in but he is heading off to Duke, and two in Northwestern but I forget whether they have got into JHU or not... ==</p>

<p>I don't know details about my friends; however I must admit that I myself have not shown enough interest in JHU, and wrote a not so decent essay. :(</p>

<p>@stridegum (ha ha..love the name).</p>

<p>How do you know the 'by school' numbers? Is this something that was shared in your school or is there official 'by school' admissions information that came from JHU.?
I am just wondering. (Hence the name).</p>

<p>if a school has a Naviance program, all the students can see stats.</p>

Indeed JHU is so weird this year. I got waitlisted too. But I didn't feel heart-broke since JHU is not quite my type. Perhaps JHU is afflicted with Tufts syndrome this year? Among my friends, One got into Stanford but rejected here, another got into Caltech but waitlisted here, one got in but he is heading off to Duke, and two in Northwestern but I forget whether they have got into JHU or not... ==


You guys are treating Hopkins like some kind of second tier school. Don't forget JHU is one of the best research universities with the largest research budget in the country and has the best medical school and biomedical engineering program around. It ranks higher than Stanford in USNWR Best World University Ranking: World's</a> Best Universities: Top 400 - US News and World Report</p>

<p>I think that Hopkins admission should do a better job of selling the school so that prospective students won't think it's second tier.</p>

<p>Anyway, for our school, AFAIK, we have two people admitted to JHU, and two waitlisted, one of the waislistee got into Berkely and Cornell.</p>

<p>While it is based on a small sample, my opinion is that JHU put a lot of top candiates on their waitlist this year in order to improve their yield.</p>

<p>I am talking about students that were non-FA, near or perfect scores, and had excellent ECs. They didn't want to offer admission to those that were perceived to be using JHU as their saftey. This is Tufts Syndrome!</p>

<p>Unfortunately JHU succeeded; in all the cases that I know of, kids got into (so called) higher ranked schools and would have rejected JHU anyway!!</p>

<p>well i am friends with people who applied to jhu, and we share our "admission stories". </p>

<p>yeahh i think that jhu had tufts syndrome (maybe not to that large of an extent) but it was definitely more than just random.</p>

<p>If you want to use anecdotal evidence, you probably can make a claim of yield protection or Tufts Syndrome about any school including Stanford and Princeton.
For example, Stanford took three people from our school this year and none of them are top students. Now, Stanford are saying that they have the highest yield ever this year.</p>

<p>In my experience, I think the general public actually underestimates the quality of the applicant pool at a place like Hopkins. Keep in mind that Hopkins has the reputation of being a very, VERY academically challenging institution (aka MIT, Chicago types) and is not a place to receive random applications. All the serious academics, in my experience, apply to Hopkins. </p>

<p>I also feel that Johns Hopkins reviews applications and selects students very differently than most universities - it's not GPA/SAT. Perhaps Hopkins isn't afraid to WL the 4.0/2400 boring kid and admit the talented, exciting kid with a 3.8/2100... is that Tufts Syndrome? In my opinion, No. That's a school that selects students based on more than grades and a SAT score. Admissions is not, nor has it ever been linear down the list of US News rankings and to believe it to be would be incredibly naive.</p>

<p>I think the strongest argument is that Hopkins has a terrible yield. If Hopkins had this alleged Tufts Syndrome then their yield would be MUCH better... but based on the statistics, Hopkins only has a yield in RD of about maybe... 20%. That is not Tufts Syndrome... that is a university that has an incredibly strong applicant pool which overlaps very heavily with HYPS etc. </p>

<p>I think it's narrow-minded to yell 'yield protection' based on a few cases. I actually think it's easier to yell 'yield protection' than say "I guess that's not what they are looking for" especially when the median scores this year were 730, 750, 720...</p>

<p>two kids at my school, ranked 6th and 7th out of a class of 750, unweighted GPAs of 4.0, SATs of 2250+, plenty of APs and nerdy extracurriculars were waitlisted. my stats were a little lower and I got in.</p>

<p>^^i guess the committee liked your essays/letters more and thought you were a better fit. i mean we have to remember that people actually sit down and read these things that get sent in. then they debate, then they make decisions. it's not a formulaic thing at these schools.</p>

<p>Also, those 2 kids are pre med. I applied for history with an 800 on the US history SAT 2, and 5s on US history, world history, and Lang/comp. That said, they had more 5s and 800s.
I think hopkins is harder on premeds than humanities.</p>

<p>Well 5 kids applied from my school. 3 rejected, 2 waitlisted (both were non pre-med). One got into WuSTL, Cornell, UC Berkeley, UCLA; one got into Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, UC Berkeley, UCLA; another into UC Berkeley and UCLA; and the last one into UCLA. I applied as well, was rejected (deferred ED), got into Vanderbilt, Emory, UC Berkeley, UCLA, and waitlisted at WuSTL and Northwestern. I went in Pre-med and so did the other two who were rejected.</p>

<p>My school actually sent a lot of kids to top universities this year. One to MIT, one to Dartmouth, one to WuSTL, I'm going to Vanderbilt, several to UC Berkeley, and several to UCLA. And that's where they matriculated, not counting where they were accepted.</p>

<p>Quick breakdown of my stats: 34 ACT, 3.87 unweighted GPA with Full IB Diploma courseload (14 IB/AP classes taken throughout high school), 760 USH, 710 Math 2, 3 very well written recommendations (I read all of them), very good counselor rec, several EC's (Soccer for 11 years, FBLA, MESA, Mock Trial, Vice-Pres of MSA, Soccer Coach/Referee, Hospital Volunteer among other things), and my essays heavily focused on Hopkins considering I did ED there and even flew in from California for an interview/visit.</p>

<p>Hopkins was my dream school but I'm happy with where I'm going next year. Vanderbilt is an excellent school as well.</p>

<p>i want to weigh in though i don't have any special credentials to validate my points.</p>

<p>essentially, hopkins is in the highest tier of college selectivity. it is true that the admit rate doesn't come close to the likes of harvard or brown, but that's not really the issue here. many people apply to ivies just for the sake of applying, hoping to get in without a reasonable chance, thereby deflating admit rate. besides, every bright kid has probably heard of hypsm etc. they know to apply there first, then look around for the next wave of places.</p>

<p>you cannot ignore the fact that hopkins has to work hard to overcome stereotypes as being a sciencey/research-only/premed harsh school. many bright students dont apply because they dont do their hw, and because the general public is not as aware of hopkins as say yale. on the other side of the argument, many apply just for pre-med and science ( or IR or pub health) so i would expect a slightly skewed application pool, which may make it harder for some students to get in over others. all speculation btw. </p>

<p>anyway, continuing with my rambling: once they get in, many students again are afraid of rumors or just go with the popular choice in terms of picking colleges. hopkins' yield is in the 30s, comparable to peer university yields. if you get into hopkins, you are good enough for our peers (the reverse is true as well). many pick hopkins, most dont. that's life for hopkins and our peers (of top schools, hypms penn brown columbia and dartmouth have >50% yield...essentially top 10ish source:Most</a> Popular Colleges: National Universities - US News and World Report).</p>

<p>consider that the admissions board has to select a cohesive class so not everyone with 2400s and 4.0s will be admitted. the school has 40something majors and minors (i think... not sure if this includes engineering) and the class has to reflect the departments and all the academic offerings. also, the class has to have students with an array of talents and interests to fill the void that will be created by the graduating class. perhaps this means more musicians will be needed this year, or more model un participants. maybe those students will get preference. maybe im wrong. fail.</p>

<p>just because YOU or YOUR FRIENDS with high stats were rejected/wait-listed does not mean Hopkins is protecting yield. YOU are not entitled to ANYTHING, even if you get into a lot of other good schools. admission comes down to fit and building the right class once your grades and scores establish your academic promise.</p>

<p>you may have friends that got in with lower scores. great, good for them. their scores were good enough for admission, and their application made them seem like a great fit. that's why they were accepted.</p>

<p>you might be tempted to scream tufts syndrome, but think about it first. hopkins doesn't consider interest level when picking students. you are not penalized for not getting an interview, there is no system to track who visits campus or who goes to regional conference booths. AdmissionsDan has repeatedly stated interest is not factored in. </p>

<p>to be honest, if hopkins *really*wanted you, you'd get admitted. if they wanted you and were willing to fight other top schools for you, you would have gotten a scholarship or something. you may be well qualified statistically and get in, or well qualified statistically and get rejected. it's all about fit and the state of the incoming class- the type of class the university is looking for, and whether you can deliver the goods the university wants.</p>

<p>if you got rejected, i'm sorry. that doesn't mean you weren't qualified. it also doesnt mean you deserved to be rejected. it also doesnt mean hopkins is protecting yeild. all it means is hopkins didn't want you mroe than the other 3k kids that were accepted. no hard feelings. i'm sure hopkins makes many mistakes every year, rejecting people who will go on to do great things. that is inevitable, and it sucks... but with a yield of 30somthing , i'm sure hopkins also knows that even if you were accepted, odds are you'd end up somewhere else ha.</p>

<p>sry for rambling. it's really late/early. i'm trying really hard to procrastinate for finals! lol. but back to studying!</p>

<p>edit: i should add that plenty kids with top scores get in. what are the stats for the middle 50% of admits? high stats, no? it's not all about numbers and stats, but plenty of high achievers get admitted. if you are one of those who wasn't admitted, you better believe someone else with your scores or higher got in a head of you. that's life. it sucks but it happens.</p>

<p>idk: My point is that this year JHU seems to have waitlisted "top" candidates just because they (correctly) assumed that these kids are going to pick HYPSM over JHU and wanted to protect their yield.</p>

<p>"top" = right profile; nothing to do with high scores; nerds etc.</p>

<p>I attend a public high school in the suburbs (no reason to rank it, classify it, or anything; we're boring and normal), not some fancy school. I was the only person in my class to apply to JHU, and I'm a pretty average student who happens to have a two-year college degree. No AP courses, decent SATs, decent GPA.</p>

<p>I was put on the JHU wait list, accepted to Sarah Lawrence, rejected by my public state school, received a conditional offer from London Metropolitan, and am still waiting to hear back from one more school.
I'm a creative writing major, and I'm pretty sure that's a big reason why I wasn't denied. I have a feeling there aren't a whole lot of kids intending to major in creative writing.</p>

<p>father91 - the point is that what one school views as a top candidate, other schools may not. therefore they get different decisions based on what the school is looking for. </p>

<p>that is not yield protection.</p>

<p>as suggested before, i think hopkins is exceptionally challenging for science students to gain admission, harder than most of the ivies.</p>

<p>Goodness...it's so interesting to me to see that some insanely qualified students weren't offered admission...it makes me so honored to be considered the same caliber as them haha
I'm 3rd in a class of like 215
Didn't prepare for standardized tests so my ACT wasn't very good lol
but I feel like that was the ONLY weak part of my application
I have really great extracurriculars and very strong leadership in many school activities and well known through other things I do in my community through my job as well as volunteer
Idk I just think I would fit well there though haha I'm so excited to go to Hopkins this fall :)
But I honestly think it does have to do with how well you'd fit there :D</p>