Who has been (or is going) to NTDA?

<p>Congrats to you and your daughter! Callbacks are callbacks and it’s great that you had the opportunity to meet with so many different schools. I know of people who have gone and have been much less successfull in meeting with schools, so they obviously see a great amount of natural talent in her- and that’s what a lot of schools are looking for. </p>

<p>Yes, there are schools that look for people with “Broadway talent, NOW” but there are a ton of schools that want people who CAN be polished and trained- and don’t know every single thing already. It’s almost harder for those “professional” kids to step into the BFA atmosphere, because it’s an entire change. At CCU, our freshman class is SO varied, and there’s people like me who (not to toot my own horn) have worked professionally and were “trained” for College Auditions- and then there are some people who have never had professional vocal training, but they stand out. When you get there, you are all on the same level. Where you started doesn’t matter because you are ALL freshman. You will all be ripped apart and re-trained and loved and nutured and changed. What you have learned is helpful, but does not put you above the rest of the people.</p>

<p>There are many schools out there who want different types and training-levels. All I can tell her is to stay true to herself and keep doing what you’re doing. You may not have the resources available to you 24/7, but you are doing all you can by POSTING here on college confidential. There are many parents out there who have kids auditioning for acting/musical theatre/voice/etc programs who wouldn’t care enough to be doing this, and it’s admirable that you do. </p>

<p>I know that’s hard to understand now in the college audition PROCESS, but a year from now she will be in a program (granted she has safeties that she loves) and none of this will really matter because she will be getting a degree in what she loves. All my rejections no longer matter because I’m doing what I wanted to do all of last year and I am happy doing it.</p>

<p>snapdragonfly,
I think it is great that you shared these experiences as it is not only reflection for yourself and your daughter, but also may help others. </p>

<p>I am not familiar with NTDA. My daughter has never attended anything like that (we are from rural VT) and just went to regular campus college auditions. It seems unusual to me that the “interview” portion included the parent! That is not the case at regular college auditions where they may ask the candidate questions in the audition room and no parent is present whatsoever. But maybe these were informational in nature at NTDA, where you could ask questions about their program? Not sure. </p>

<p>Anyway, two things you brought up that I have some advice about…</p>

<p>One…A student’s articulation as to why they wish to attend X College or X Program…</p>

<p>This is very important and I find some students do not do well with this. When my advisees are building their college list, I have them make a spreadsheet with various categories of “facts” about each college and program (I won’t list all the things that go on it) and also where they list what appeals to them about the school or program and their pros/cons about it, etc. This is so important to do in the selection phase. There should be clear cut reasons each school makes it onto the final list. The student should be able to compare and contrast their schools (this spreadsheet helps with that) and to articulate how each specific school meets their college selection criteria (they should have established selection criteria before selecting colleges). They should explore each school deeply such as the specific curriculum, special features, performance opportunities, production seasons, and much else about each MT program. A student should be able to list many reasons why a certain school is on their list. I find LOTS of students who want to pick the college list on a very basic level (ie., “it offers MT,” “it’s very well known,” “it’s in a city”) and do not explore the schools thoroughly enough to really know them. This is not like picking out a dress but it is so crucial to find schools that are good fits, not simply schools that offer MT or have a nice reputation. If a student can’t tell me why a school is on their list, then they haven’t explored it enough. And it is hard to even discuss the list with them beyond their “odds” at each school (academic and artistic) unless they have really discussed why each school appeals to them. Some kids do a great job of this and others are more reluctant and want to forge ahead with applications. I tell them at that juncture, that besides selecting schools, this is going to come up LATER when many colleges have a “Why X College” Essay prompt on the application or else it may come up in interviews/auditions and then they will have to articulate specific reasons why they wish to attend that school. And sure enough at this time of year, when we are immersed in college essays, and the veritable “Why X College or X Program” comes up in the essays, they do not know the school well enough to write an effective statement! (I could have predicted this in some cases!). They tend to write a generic statement of why they want a BFA but it is not specific to each school. An effective Why X College essay is very very very specific to each school, so that if you can sub another school’s name in the essay, you don’t have a good essay. This will come up in several auditions/interviews (I also interview candidates for my alma mater and it is very telling who can answer “Why do you want to go to this school?”). I strongly encourage all kids to really explore every school deeply (visits help but you must do this even without a visit) and be able to articulate why each school fits you and is on your list…this is important in selecting the schools in the first place, but also in many essays and in auditions/interviews. Schools want to know how you fit them and how they fit you and that you have explored this adequately and can demonstrate interest in THEIR school or program. </p>

<p>Two…you mention your D’s lack of MT repertoire. You go on to mention a lack of training where you live. </p>

<p>In my view, no matter where you live, someone who is going to pursue MT in college and beyond really needs to be exploring the MT canon of both traditional MT and contemporary MT songs. This can be done by listening to soundtracks from a wide array of musicals. Also, find MT singers who have your voice type and listen to their MT repertoire. Once you find songs you like and that fit you, purchase sheet music and work on learning many songs from different MT periods, ballads and upbeat, legit and belt, etc. that fit you. Every MT student should have a “book” of their MT repertoire and by the time they apply to college, should have accrued a number of songs they know. (a die hard MT kid should have lots and lots of sheet music and song books to take to college) This can be done even without a voice teacher. But no matter who your voice teacher is, you should bring MT songs to lessons to work on. It’s also good to know contemporary/popular music and other genres like jazz and classical of course! But for the purpose of MT college auditions, the songs appropriate for auditions come from the MT genre. So, it is never too late to keep exploring MT songs and finding ones that suit you and purchasing sheet music. A beginner might even buy some song collection books even though they have more common songs typically in them. The song you mention, “Maybe This Time” is a great song but not the best for a college audition since it is not considered age appropriate. It is a good one to learn but not for this purpose. Make sure to bring about five songs to auditions (or your MT book)…have two options for upbeat and two options for ballad at least on hand and both traditional and contemporary selections and both legit and belt. If they like your voice, they may end up asking to hear more or something different and you have to have stuff with you that you know. So, don’t just bring your two audition songs to the audition. </p>

<p>I hope this helps as it is just November and there is time to work on these things!</p>

<p>Congrats to your D on the callbacks! In my view, this early audition can serve as an effective learning experience and she has time to work on anything before the next round of auditions and think of it that way if nothing else.</p>

<p>Thanks so much for the reassuring information, Alexa! That really is so helpful for her to know.</p>

<p>"That is not the case at regular college auditions where they may ask the candidate questions in the audition room and no parent is present whatsoever. But maybe these were informational in nature at NTDA, where you could ask questions about their program? Not sure. "</p>

<p>Yes, Soozievt, these were very informal - after they stopped auditioning and all the callbacks were posted, we all just went into a big kind of convention type room where every college had a table with reps on one side and a few chairs on the other and most kids either had parents, teachers, or coaches with them, and quite often other kids were standing in line behind the chairs for their turn so it was not at all confidential or formal. And it was mostly “what you do you want to know about our school.”</p>

<p>As far as topic number one: totally agree. Now that she’s looked into some of them a bit, the things that she wants in a program are starting to crystallize. Some schools have some particular classes that are really exciting to her and in fact that spreadsheet is TOTALLY our next project, I’ve been frothing to get at it while we’ve been driving all over tarnation this TG while everything was still fresh on her mind. For example, what kind of study abroad program is a big deal to her. And one of her top picks has a fabulous sounding “nuts and bolts” class that is about how to survive as an artist, as in, what kind of jobs to get and how to manage your finances and they have to do a research project where they pick a city and have to research in depth all sorts of stuff like where to find apartments, how much money it will cost to get moved there, how much to live there, etc etc etc. (I like the sound of this class VERY much, myself.)</p>

<p>Topic number two: we had a very productive discussion with her vocal coach about what she could put in her book right now, and we both feel it’s a good strategy and feel a lot better about it.</p>

<p>We visited one of her top choices over TG break and she was SO nervous because it was her first actual SINGING and acting and dancing, on the campus audition, and she actually had a rough morning right before the audition (climate change was giving problems and all the emotions ganging up on her all of a sudden) but she pulled herself together enough to be her own usually merry little self and they must have liked her because they offered her a spot. YAY! It’s not a well known school outside of our region but it’s a real nice program and a good fit for her, with a strong dance and voice emphasis so that will take a lot of the sting out of the inevitable rejections to come down the road. And it really is in her top four so that’s great, especially as two of the others are totally a lottery and one is a real reach financially.</p>

<p>If anyone ends up going to NTDA next year please feel free to PM me and I’ll go into more nitty gritty details.</p>

<p>Congrats to your D, snapdragonfly, on her acceptance. To have a MT offer in hand in November is very nice indeed. When my girls went through college admissions, the wait was a lot longer.</p>

<p>Do many schools make offers of admissions at the NTDA? We have a similar conference in VA – VTA – for the most part the schools that require an audition for admission use this audition as a terrific opportunity to callback potential students who will then come to campus to audition. The VTA audition only requires a song and monologue (for MT) and a monologue (for acting), not enough to evaluate with on-campus/ regional/ unified audition applicants (for schools that go to unifieds). Just curious about how the NTDA works. Sounds like your D had a great experience and outcome… congrats! :)</p>

<p>CONGRATS to your D snapdragonfly!</p>

<p>KatMT, from what I can tell, some schools make offers of admissions, and some schools make not only admissions offers but offers of money too (we got one of those and very generous but from a school that is not really a fit for her though we are not writing anything out at the moment) and some, like OU and TSU, who have a two step audition process, invite them to come audition on campus. You can’t audition at those schools without having passed a screening process via either a big cattle call audition like this one (there are half a dozen or so in Texas, some open to just about any students and some are more restricted) or by sending in a DVD.</p>

<p>It was all so overwhelming that actually a couple schools we talked to I’m not sure exactly what they were offering (we liked your audition well enough to let you audition again? We’d like you to look at us closer? You’re in if you want to be? we aren’t sure!) so D needs to call them up and say, “we were thrilled to get a callback but are sort of unclear on exactly what it meant”.</p>

<p>One of the schools she liked a lot did not call her back but when she auditioned on site they accepted her. :smiley: The really competitive schools have told her, that the more times they see her, the better her chances, because if they see her and don’t invite her then, that doesn’t affect if they see her another time. </p>

<p>There’s another one in January called TETA, but it is mostly Texas schools, whereas this one had schools from everywhere and plenty of them from the East coast which is great opportunity for us (and them) because it’s a long two days drive or an expensive flight to there from here. I guess some families here in Texas can afford to go audition and visit the half dozen or more schools they’d be interested in out there, but it’s hard enough for us to visit the ones here in our state, much less far away schools unless we have some reason to think they are REALLY interested in her. And this is so much less expensive and closer than Unifieds for us.</p>

<p>I would recommend Texas students do it, but I would recommend being prepared! And I don’t just mean knowing your songs and monologues!</p>

<p>Thanks, AustinMTmom! Her accomplishments so far are pretty modest compared to some but we are really happy that some schools have liked what she has to offer including at least one that we know is financially feasible for her.</p>

<p>THANKS for the info! sounds like your D is doing well!</p>

<p>I know that because not all our reps are at VTA a student who does not get a callback there, but who is interested in us SHOULD apply and audition. I am sure it is similar at most of the regional auditions. :)</p>

<p>Thank you, soozievt! It is indeed a lot of stress off her to have one for sure that she likes, so early.</p>

<p>KatMT, on reflection I would say that unless they start throwing rocks at your kid when they see them, if there is a school they want to get into quite a lot, they should keep auditioning at as many of their options as possible. I would make sure to put just as much effort into the other schools and not forgot those wonderful safeties, :slight_smile: but just one yes will override all the no’s! And if they don’t have persistence I think they might better start developing it now!</p>

<p>This is all fascinating to read about. Keep in mind this is not the case in other regions of the country. Some kids, like my D (from rural VT) went to each college campus audition, where they never heard of her and did one audition and that’s that. There are no screenings, preliminary auditions, state or regional events, etc. You go to a college audition, they see you once, they admit or reject, done. :D</p>

<p>KatMT - What we found last year were that there were schools that made offers at NTDA on the spot, more for Acting than MT, but my D definitely got acceptances and scholarship offers from NTDA. If you are interested in which schools did that let me know and I will PM you the names. I would hate to post them in case their policies have changed since last year.</p>

<p>We do things funny out here sometimes. :slight_smile: I was thinking it might be because it’s so much more spread out geographically for us here in Texas and neighboring states, and that all the Eastern schools were closer together geographically making it easier for people there to go to the schools individually but upon checking the Googles I see that it’s actually further from NY to Chicago (though Chicago is technically midwest, not east) than it is from San Antonio to Amarillo so I don’t know. But maybe the biggest concentration of schools are much closer. My understanding of where they all are in relation to each other is pretty vague. But I do know that when we went to NY the summer before last we drove through every New England state except Rhode Island in, like, one day, so if someone is looking at schools mostly in that area it would be a lot easier than doing schools in the west.</p>

<p>Ultimately you still need to visit the schools even if you go to NTDA but it kind of gives you a chance to look at schools (and they at you) that might not have been on your list, for one thing, and then it helps with those two part audition schools.</p>