No, not that I am aware. Every person we hire needs to prove his/her eligibility to work in this country. International students can work X years (I don’t remember whether it is 2 or 4) before they need to be sponsored for permanent residency or go home. I don’t know what those undocumented students would be considered.
http://e4fc.org/images/E4FC_LifeAfterCollegeGuide.pdf
Read page #30, pretty much Independent Contractor is the only way to go.
What will this new Yale student after graduation. She can work for 2 years under DACA.
Right…an uphill battle once they graduate from college…job wise.
One would hope that they are seeking citizenship.
How? They could marry a citizen.
I know…a difficult situation.
I’m thinking theynwouldmactually need to leave the country after graduation.
But if a company is interested in hiring them, once they are abroad, wouldn’t some companies be able to help them gain legal entry?
Yet many companies hire undocumented workers. If there were no jobs, they wouldn’t come here. Why don’t I hear much more about going after the employers from those seeking to prevent illegal immigration?
Federal government money can be more than $5800 (Pell) as there can also be SEOG of a couple thousand, and then stafford and Perkins loans. Citizens and documented non-citizens can get more than just Pell funds. Yale doesn’t require students to take the loans but does take the Pell grant if the student qualifies, so it is costing the tax payers more if Yale takes a documented student than an undocumented one
There are states that have funds available to undocumented students, including instate tuition rates. IMO, residents have a legitimate argument that they are subsidizing those students.
Yale gets lots of federal funds that are used for all students, US citizens, internationals, undocumented domestic students. All schools do. They use those funds for research, labs, studies, training. Yale also ‘gets’ the Pell money its students qualify for as it would otherwise provide ‘Yale grants’ in those amounts to to low-income sudents.
According to the Institute on Tax and Economic Policy illegal immigrants pay about $11.64 billions in taxes: http://www.itep.org/immigration/
Here is the tax revenue by state: http://m.immigrationpolicy.org/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fimmigrationpolicy.org%2Fjust-facts%2Funauthorized-immigrants-pay-taxes-too&utm_referrer=#2513
Texas receives $1.6 billion
About 50% of illegal immigrants pay income tax.
@oldfort I’m not sure why you think “the immigrant community is very well informed on what’s available at each state”. First of all the immigrant community is not some cohesive organization and you can’t paint them with such a broad brush. Secondly according to Pew Hispanic Center illegal immigrants are “likely to be less educated than native-born US Citizens and legal immigrants” in addition the average income of a household headed by an illegal immigrant is $36,000. Low income and less educated often contributes to less knowledge about the education system not more. The reason many immigrants come to Texas is simple: Texas borders Mexico.
They do with legitimate companies that hire professional workers. The first day of work we are all required to show our work eligibility. If there is no proof then the employee is let go. We have a lot of low level work that are filled by illegal immigrants. Those illegal immigrants now have children who are getting college education and want to get white collar jobs. They are finding it to be difficult. If you read the link I provided, the author said after graduation he was only able to get work off the Craiglist. The question is after we have spent so much resource in educating those students, what are we to do with them. Well, I guess we didn’t think of that.
Here is the breakdown of jobs illegal immigrants do: http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/03/26/share-of-unauthorized-immigrant-workers-in-production-construction-jobs-falls-since-2007/?utm_source=Pew+Research+Center&utm_campaign=95977f7d9a-Unauthorized_Immigrant_Methodology3_26_2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3e953b9b70-95977f7d9a-399825189
We all gather with our own tribe, Chinese, Koreans, Hispanics…I have been to my own with my parents. Most of their conversations revolve around work (where, and how much), American benefits, education. It is all through word of mouth. I don’t think it is by accident states that have best benefits for immigrants tend to have more of them. Now, not all information is correct either, it just gets passed on.
Perfect. As soon as the US is a worse place to live than Mexico (HDI: 0.756), Honduras (0.606), Panama (0.780), Belize (0.715) etc. and universities in those countries are better than US colleges, immigration will grind to a halt.
Real life mirrors satire: http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/republicans-unveil-immigration-plan
DACA is woven into a lot of this.
You know, some might find it interesting to trace their own family path to the US, just how many i’s were dotted and t’s crossed when their ancestors came.
There are other countries with much better standard of living that are not having similar illegal immigration problem as ours. Other countries allow non residents to come in the country to work, even domestic workers, but they are documented. Those domestic helpers are required to have health care and they are sponsored by someone in that country, as soon as the job is over then they are required to go home.
Here’s what I find funny.
Right now, there’s another CC thread with almost a 1000 posts in which a poster is losing his mind over the fact that the more selective University of California campuses (Berkeley, UCLA, UCSD, etc.) “stole” admissions slots from his daughter by admitting non-California students in order to help balance their budgets … Most of these are US citizens who are willing to pay full-freight out-of-state tuition. They just happen to be legal residents of the other 49 states. Apparently many other Californians agree with him.
I think most Americans don’t mind helping students - like the young lady who will be attending UT-Austin on a full scholarship - who entered the US illegally when they were young. However, the problem is that there are an estimated 14,000,000 (and growing) illegal immigrants currently in the US - that’s more than 10% of the population of Mexico. As we’re seeing this election cycle, many people feel that the situation is out of control and is actually being deliberately encouraged by people who are playing them for chumps who are not even allowed to voice their concerns.
In the early 20th century, there were no gov’t benefits for LEGAL immigrants, so it was irrelevant if i’s were dotted and t’s were crossed.
Not “allowed to voice their concerns” or not really engaged with the system, just venting?
@al2simon I’ve read that other thread, the one about OOS students taking spots “meant” for CA resident students, too. The thing is, Yale doesn’t take state money, whereas here in CA, the state university system is partially funded by taxes. It hurts that really, really bright instate students who a decade ago would have been shoo-ins to UCLA, San Diego, etc are now relegated to/bumped down to Riverside and Merced (nobody’s first choice) because all these wealthy OOS applicants want to spend their college years in the sunshine. Those OOS kids don’t apply to Merced/Riverside.
I just don’t think it’s the same thing as Yale accepting this undocumented student.
Yes and no. That’s why I only mentioned the admissions policies at state universities like UT-Austin. I’m sure you know that the University of California system (like UT) allows undocumented students to be admitted in the same admissions pool as legal California residents and to only have to pay in-state tuition. Truly, I do not get the level of anger that Californians seem to feel against well-qualified out-of-state US citizens who are paying full freight (and thereby helping fill-in the funding gap created because CA taxpayers have decided to cut support to their own state universities) while being OK with admitting illegal alien students. It’s as if Californians think they are their own country or something.
As to Yale, I agree that as a private university it can pretty much do what it wants. However, here are a couple questions - Are illegal residents “competing” for admission in the domestic applicant pool or against the much more difficult international pool? Also, Yale gets income tax and property tax exemption from the Federal and state governments, not to mention receiving government research money. Now, I happen to think that it’s a good use of government money to support institutions like Yale. But it would be dishonest to say that US or Connecticut taxpayers aren’t supporting Yale.
10/10 B-)