I do not understand why illegal immigrants(the “undocumented”, illegal aliens, whatever),who have broken the law, are admitted to US colleges. An example would be the illegal immigrant admitted to Yale on full scholarship through Questbridge in the news the last couple of days. Why do people that have broken the law get accepted to the most sought-after US colleges and go for free, while American citizens get turned down and even if they get in are charged up to 60K or so every year?
Can a 2 year old break the law?
Perhaps because requiring citizenship is seen as an offensive demand these days.
Fundamentally, why do you think you deserve something special just because of luck of birth? Which child gets to choose their parents? Who gets to choose what country they are born in?
Yale is a private school. It can admit anyone it wants.
And Texas laws allow admission to undocumented students, who are also eligible for scholarships and FA.
in reply to: “Can a 2 year old break the law”?
1. It doesn’t answer the question as to why illegals are admitted/given scholarships.
2. The parents broke the law and are now rewarded with full scholarships for their children to 60K/year non-profit institutions that US taxpayers directly/indirectly support.
Well that’s easy. They applied and got accepted. Yale is private school. Yale can accept and fund who they want.
@PurpleTitan . Personally, I am well beyond college age and discouraged my kids from applying to schools like Yale so I don’t feel like I or my family should get anything special. But I do wonder about the US citizen valedictorians that applied but didn’t get accepted, or even if accepted are in the middle class and can’t afford Yale. After all, the vast majority of the endowment at Yale that funds scholarships came from US citizens, and Yale benefits from tax-free status in the USA.
@Marigrow Do you really think children should be punished for their parents’ decisions? What if you were unlucky enough to be born the child of poor, struggling parents in a country where there was no possibility of a better future? What if your parents risked their lives to try to give you the opportunity for a better future? Is that not a commendable sacrifice? And what if you, their child, were willing to work harder than any native-born classmate to build a better future for yourself? … Shouldn’t that hard work be applauded? Emulated? Or would you rather send the message to these kids – many of whom have never been to their country of origin and may not even speak the language-- that they might as we’ll be criminals because they belong in jail?
Yale is a private university. They get private money, which a lot of times is actually earmarked for certain purposes. For example, one of the richest man in Brazil, a guy by the last name Leman, has donated tons of money to Harvard (he’s a Harvard alum) SPECIFICALLY earmarked for students with Brazilian citizenship, which could also include dual citizens. That means, if a kid is admitted to Harvard and happens to hold Brazilian citizenship, BINGO!
In the case of this girl at Yale, maybe people donate money to Yale SPECIFICALLY earmarked for kids with Mexican citizenship. The girl got admitted, the money is used on her.
FWIW, a lot of scholarships REQUIRE US citizenship.
@Marigrow : Undocumented folk are not the reason that those hypothetical valedictorians did not get into Yale. What is the point of this thread? There’s another thread that asks what are the most annoying threads on CC. I think I’ll head over there and nominate this one.
Marigrow, you asked, we answered.
Yale can admit anyone it wants. And subsidize anyone it wants.
And Texas law allows these undocumented students both admission and scholarships, if they qualify.
There’s nothing nefarious going on here.
If you’re a Texan, you’re welcome to lobby your representatives to change the law.
Yale covers 100% of demonstrated financial need for ALL of those admitted.
Some colleges also accept and fund international students. Should US tax payers get upset about that to. This whole they’re taking my spot thing is getting old. This is the same thing said when a black kid gets into the ivies.
@sensation723B . “Yale is a private school. Yale can accept and fund who they want.” I guess that is a decent enough explanation of how the system currently works. But it seems hypocritical to me - Yale takes the advantages of being domiciled in the USA, and being tax-exempt, but admits illegal immigrants and lets them attend for free. Seems like the ones being duped are the tax-paying American public in general, and in particular the American citizens being refused admission or paying 60K/year
And yes, many who donated to Yale are American, but why do you assume that they are nativist and want their money to only go to American citizens?
An undocumented student who gets into Yale is probably a much better bet for Yale than is a student with similar credentials from a wealthy household. That is because the undocumented student achieved in the face of considerable adversity. If I had to bet on who would be most successful and end up donating to Yale, I would bet on the undocumented student. I would also bet that the undocumented student would end up contributing to the US in a positive way.
I take issue with international students (especially wealthy ones from countries where the veracity of the credentials can’t be established) who are not US residents but who attend US public schools (especially in NY) that are cheap for OOS and International students. They are taking slots from US residents (documented or not) and are never going to contribute to the US-and they take slots from offspring of tax payers who end up subsidizing their education.
@CaliMex . Their parents should assume responsibility for breaking the law, return to their country of origin,
and have their child apply as an international student and apply for what scholarship funds are available for international students from that country. In any case, there are hundreds of millions of poor children globally, and we can’t even provide for the ones that are already here.
What would you like to see happen to them?
@lostaccount What is the problem with New York in particular? I’m not trying to be snarky btw I just didn’t know that this was more prominent in NY and want to learn more.