Many of these kids have resided in the US since birth or soon thereafter. They have no other country. This is it. And if they have achieved at a level to open Yale’s doors while being in such a precarious situation, they are likely to have amazing potential. Let’s find a way to maximize that for the good of the student and society.
Those attending SUNY are add ons. There are plenty of SUNY schools for NY residents (who give them little love…)
Again Yale covers financial need for all students accepted, whether American or International. Families that make under 65k pay nothing at all. Do you have a different example you can share?
Marigrow, very little (if any) of your tax money is going to Yale – and if you happen to live in New Haven or near it, odds are you’re benefiting from Yale far more than you’re paying in.
@Marigrow I assume you are Native American?
@Marigrow : BTW, the US economy would probably collapse if all undocumented workers returned to their countries of origin. We are absolutely dependent on their labor. (Who do you think picked the fruits and vegetables you ate today, stitched your clothes, etc…)
To many people there are more important issues than violation (by someone’s ancestor) of one of the laws on the books.
Illegal immigrants can be admitted to ivy leagues on a full ride scholarship. Get over it. I’m sure there are more important things to worry about.
Yale funds students based on need, not immigration status. Only those qualified based on need get FA.
And a decision like this, to fund regardless, certainly met with sufficient alumni approval.
This student is clearly qualified for Yale and mastered her application.
It’s a case of: it doesn’t matter what Joe or Jane thinks. It’s a policy the college implemented. Look at DACA and the Dream Act. Kids can’t get fed aid, aiui, but can be given FA by the colleges. Some of this is state dependent, for other schools.
I am confused about how illegal immigrants prove financial need. I’m not necessarily opposed to the scholarship idea, just ignorant in general about how much paperwork / taxes etc are involved for noncitizens. I thought they had to work off -the-books.
@AboutTheSame To reply to your questions:
- There are only 3 categories of applicants from this perspective: American citizens, illegal immigrants, and international students that apply honestly,legally, in an above-board fashion.
- The point of the thread was to examine the opinions of parents whose kids are applying to, or attending, schools like Yale(popular and very expensive) on this issue.
- If you find the thread annoying you don’t have to read it or reply to it.
@PurpleTitan . I don’t assume that all Yale donors want all their funds to go to American citizens, but I am assuming Yale donors would want to have their funds given to students legally resident in the USA, or to international students that apply honestly in an above-board way as an international student.
^Why would you assume that?
The issue isn’t so much whether colleges should admit & award scholarships to anyone. Colleges admit & award scholarships to non-citizens ALL THE TIME. It’s whether people without legal immigration status should even be in the country.
@sylvan8798 . “What would you like to see happen too them?”
I think it would be best if they returned to their country of origin and applied like all the international students do that aren’t benefitting from their parents or themselves breaking the law. If the illegal immigrant students want to blame someone, they should blame themselves, or their parents, for coming here illegally.
To clarify how an undocumented students proves financial need, there are multiple ways. An immigrant family can have multiple statuses within the family- mom can have papers or have been born here and one child not have legal documents and another child have been born here… The possibilities are endless really. I’ve had cases where a mom was born in the States but left back to Mexico when her parents were deported then had a child in Mexico but came to the States to give her child a better life, married someone undocumented then they had kids together in the States. You can also file for an ITIN number for tax purposes.
Okay, good luck with that.
Why wouldn’t the best universities in the world want the best? Being open to immigrant populations is what made our country great.
What exactly would you have these students do? Go back to their country of origin and apply from there?
Perhaps acquainting yourself with the Dreamers and their stories may make you understand what these kids have gone through. I hope that we don’t lose our sense of compassion and humanity just because our kids didn’t get into an Ivy…
You know…even if those students were able to go,back to their native countries, and apply to Yale…they still might just get accepted.
What exactly is your concern here? These are qualified applicants. Likely they have faced some adverse circumstances growing up. I think it’s terrific that they work and achieve in such a way that they can be acceoted to a college like Yale.
And as others have noted…Yale meets very generously full need for all acceoted students. All. So it’s not like an acceoted American citizen will get less aid at Yale if he or she has significant need…because an undocumented student gets aid.
You know…this country is a land of opportunity. Some folks come here from countries where that just isn’t the case.
@colorado_mom. That question about how illegal immigrants prove financial need is a great one!
Don’t all families receiving financial aid have to submit tax returns? Is the federal government accepting tax returns from illegal immigrants–are their social security numbers legitimate ?
How does the school know the illegal-immigrant family isn’t wealthy from the off-the-books cash economy, since as you point out that is presumably where they are working? Wonder what Yale would respond to your question.