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<p>These kids also tend to be emotionally distressed, have no social skills, and have no initiative.</p>
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<p>Eh, you’d be surprised. Once college rolls around, a good number of them have figured out what social skills are necessary to get ahead. They might not be the prom king, but they end up magna cum laude and land that great job out of college.</p>
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<p>Although at some point, my parents said “screw it, do whatever you want.”…maybe because I took chemistry and physics and hated both. Going for a finance/economics major. Woohoo!!! Maybe I’m a different case because I went along with the whole doctor thing until I failed out of honors chem and I pretty much said “**** it, I’d rather be staring at spreadsheets until 4AM than operating on someone’s heart…at least I won’t have someone’s life in my hands.” and I pretty much shifted my focus that way(towards investment banking…and my parents are going along with it…yay me 
)…I think a lot of asian kids don’t have the drive to do their own thinking and plan out their own lives…perhaps that’s the reason their parents impose these “dreams/wishes” on them…</p>
<p>And some people are able to be prom king AND end up Magna Cum Laude, and end up getting that great job anyway, and also the person with more social skills is the one that ends up advancing…well in investment banking anyway.</p>
<p>Um, sorry to burst your bubble. But Finance/Economics comes well under the title of mathematics related avenues.
Sooo, there are a LOT of asians that are very interested in the mathematical aspect of things, even though you might not see them.</p>
<p>And your view of IB is skewed. No one gives a rat’s ass how sociable you are if you can’t make them money
Analytical skills gained through hardcore math and science helps with this, just so you know a little more about what you’re doing.</p>
<p>this is a fine example of why affirmitave action is a crock </p>
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<p>MINORITIES CAN WORK JUST AS HARD AS CAUCASIANS CAN. </p>
<p>-for the most part, they just decide not to, because they know that they’ll allways get dibs…and if not, they can just sue and get some lawsuit money</p>
<p>---------------only in america--------------------</p>
<p>Another question, Why do caucasions look better than Asians?
Or Why do caucasion’s excel in everything?</p>
<p>Really? Have you ever seen the movie White Men Can’t Jump?</p>
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<p>I am amused. (Is this supposed to be some sort of a joke?)</p>
<p>I am from India myself. I lived there until I was 2, when I moved here. My mother has just a highschool degree. My father has a phd in genetics. He came here doing research for <$20,000 a year. However, he makes $70k now working as a senior application developer, with no degree. I guess you could say that foreigners that immigrate here have a strong will to succeed. I still don’t see how my dad is making that much with absolutely no degree. It’s as if he’s working with just a H.S. diploma, for that field atleast. </p>
<p>I myself have not been motivated to work hard. I noticed that highschool here is a lot easier than other countries (no offense to anyone). I was in a couple AP classes, but I had already gotten accepted to a great college (with just a 3.2) so I didn’t even feel like working. I am a first generation student also. My point is, you can’t generalize about the asian population. I am a prime example of how an asian didn’t do superb in high school. One of the reasons I wasn’t motivated was because I had learned that in India, students complete multivariate calculus, organic/physical chemistry, and differential equations in highschool itself. It just blew my mind. In highschools here, there is some competition, but not that much. If you work hard you will get the A. That is not the case in other countries though.</p>
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<p>Yeah, but at least it’s not science. The word science makes me want to puke.</p>
<p>And there’s good reason for it.
There is a science behind puking, just ask any doctor.</p>
<p>Btw, Indian. You can do that stuff here too, it’s called working towards it. The US is more forgiving to people who learn slower, unlike in India. I went up to almost the end of middle school there, and I’m not sure how you can compare without actually having been schooled there. It’s like saying, this is easy so I’m not going to work hard at it at all. You can’t prove you actually know something unless you do well in it. I have friends in India who are coming to the US to study and they’ve done around up to AP Calc bc, which is what I did here. </p>
<p>There are many students in the US who choose to go ahead because something interests them. In India, you worked because you had to or you were made fun of constantly. Here, you work hard if you want to, and many more opportunities are afforded to you should you choose to accept them.</p>
<p>Well the way I know is because three (yes, three lol) of my uncles in India completed an Electrical + Electronics Engineering degree. I discussed with both of them what types of courses students take in 11-12th grade. They both said calculus/chemistry/physics is completed the way I previously mentioned. I was very surprised to find out that they learn absolutely nil math in college. I have tried in many of my classes in high school. I just found that it doesn’t take much effort to get decent grades. In AP chemistry, I ended up with a D, but just for kicks, I wanted to see if I could understand Kinetics with the rest of the class, so I tried. I ended up getting a 29/47 on the test, which was a little above the class average. Supposedly, that was the toughest topic we covered.
I don’t know though. You say many of the students choose to go ahead if it interests them. My class of 500 graduates only had one person pursue advanced calculus up until the multivariate level. And that was via self study. I knew what classes I would be taking freshman year as an engineer. All review. I guess that’s why I wasn’t worried about my science/math classes then.</p>
<p>You know now that I think about it, engineering would become a lot easier if we (America) gave students the opportunity to take advanced classes such as organic chemistry, physical chemistry, inorganic chemistry, multivariate calculus, and differential equations in high school. I think that’s why college is so tough here; that stuff could’ve been covered in highschool itself, allowing a more thorough understanding of engineering concepts, instead of cramming them into a semester where the student who understands more than the other student will do better. Sorry for the rant lol. Just struck me as an interesting idea.</p>
<p>i see what your saying, in fact, i would agree…however, that unfortuanately will never happen, because then high school would become college…and essentially there won’t be a need for college anymore. Right now, with the AP courses, someone could place as a junior in college…however, offering those courses you mentioned above…they might as well be seniors…or even graduates…all before they even go to college</p>
<p>You have to keep in mind, that even in this day and age (as it was in the past) top executives and their kids have come to the US for college, even if they wanted to go back. Not every does this and has done this, but there is a large number of people who have and who continue to study abroad (US and UK/Europe).</p>
<p>The number is dropping now as India is advancing past the US in terms of economic growth and technology.</p>
<p>What you’re forgetting is that while in India, the schooling does focus in and hit science and math home, they tend to neglect the more liberal arts zones. So when you have to basically declare your major in the 10th grade, sure you do get much further ahead in that one area, but you’re also just a tad bit behind on the other avenues of study, which are arguably important as well.</p>
<p>There will always be some who understand things better than others, introducing material earlier won’t ever change this…</p>
<p>because we’re inherently superior. duh. </p>
<p>and it’s because we work hard and understand the value of education…
not like the Americans who can’t do calculus even in college. LOLZzzzz</p>
<p>I am an Indian… pursuing engineering in India… and my elder brother is in the US pursuing his MS degree. i think i have a very clear picture about how it is… in India we have a hell lot of people than the US (seriusly, i have been to NYC once… people say that’s a lot of crowd. If that’s what you think come visit India.) So… i what i want to say is we have a lot of competition here. That’s what the motivating factor. If u’re left behind even a bit … you are a loser. U just cant afford to lack behind… whether you like it or not you have to do it.
but what i think is. We Asians might be very good at maths n science since we are required to work really hard. but the quality of study, knowledge and education in the US and such developed countries is much much better than ours. we have a lot of people in one class… and frankly speaking 70% of our countries engineering colleges don’t have an average infrastructure. None of our colleges are equivalent to the America’s. There the teachers are much more focused on the practical knowledge . unlike our country. So … if you are an American . or u r studying in america u shud feel lucky to have all the things … :)</p>
<p>to study in America is somewhat prestigious and luxurious for us Asians !!</p>
<p>I love my country! its just that i am being truthful :)</p>
<p>It is just hardworking but there is a important point. Their hardworking is not based on choise. They all must study as hell or they won’t able to leave their dirty countries. It is not about being smart, it is much more like having no life except studying. Motivation? Hahah.</p>
<p>Huuuuuuuuuuge necro droidrer.</p>
<p>As an Asian myself, I really, really find the Asian stereotype to be boring and annoying. In fact, many of the things I’ve done in the past were done partly to avoid being like another Asian momma’s boy. Those surely blocked my path to the “prestigious” universities, but hell, I had an absolutely fun time and that’s not something I’m gonna regret.</p>
<p>Of course I’ll have to thank my parents for even allowing me to be like this. And I understand that many Asians want to do fun stupid things too but are just way too pressured by their families, which is very very sad.</p>
<p>Many of those Asian students who study in engineering, science and math are either foreign or recent immigrants.</p>
<p>The reason why they do so is not that diff. from other groups of immigrants (Jews, Eastern Europeans, Africans) - it’s easier to study and do well in those topics since the language/cultural barriers aren’t as big of a detriment in doing well and having a profession after graduation.</p>
<p>Also, minorities aren’t totally ignorant as to the “glass ceiling” when it comes to moving up the ladder in the corporate world.</p>
<p>Things look a bit different for US born and raised Asians, esp. those who are at least 2nd gen+ or who come from pretty well-to-do families which gives them more of an economic freedom.</p>
<p>The most pop. area of study for Asians is actually business (since they, too, have gotten sucked into wanting make the big bucks screwing people over on Wall St.).</p>
<p>But you’ll find more established Asians in pretty much every area of study (lots of Asian writers, both fiction and in journalism - a lot of Asians in TV broadcast news as well, but mostly for Asian females since news broadcast news organizations are more biased in favor of hiring AF reporters and anchors than AM).</p>
<p>Interesting enough, you’ll even find large nos. of foreign and immigrant Asian students in areas like fashion (FIT has tons of Asian students) and architecture.</p>
<p>And ironically, in countries like Japan and Korea, universities are finding a harder time getting enough students to study engineering, the hard sciences, math, etc. - since more and more students find it too hard or boring and they would rather make quick $$ going into finance, the corporate world or entertainment.</p>