why doesn't everyone transfer????

<p>i am cuyrrently only a sophmor in hs, i got a 3.0 uc gpa this semester, but by the end of my junior year my uc gpa will be about a 3.3 and i will have good sats, which means i will probably go to a low uc or high calstate</p>

<p>now whats the purpose of going to that school, when i could go to cc for 2 years, and then transfer to ucle or berkely and graduate from there??? its like a reward for doing bad?? why is it allowe?? and whats the purpose of not doing that if you dont make a top school?? i wil probably go to san diego state or ucr or somehting, but hwhy not just go to cc and then to ucla???</p>

<p>also, is it the same going to a cal state then to a uc, or better community collge to a uc??</p>

<p>The standard line is that a lot of people don't get their act together until later. Should they not be given a chance to go to one of the best schools if they prove themselves to be that caliber of student? </p>

<p>There are advantages to going straight to a 4-year, but I think the biggest one is the social aspect. Some CCs are better than others, but they just don't compare to a 4-year, even more the more commuter oriented 4-years.</p>

<p>You have put us a bit on the defensive with your "reward for doing bad" comment, and your creative spelling doesn't really bring out sympathy. Just my 2, inflation adjusted, cents</p>

<p>It's not a "reward for doing bad", it's just another avenue of access that universities offer. There are many reasons why good, qualified students might opt to go to a CC first instead of going to a UC (or any university) right away. Some might want to figure out their educational goals first. Some have financial reasons - units from CC are credited but cost much less, for example, and going to a CC would allow a student to work full time and save money for university expenses. </p>

<p>And you're right, maybe some applicants didn't qualify right out of high school. But why begrudge them the opportunity to transfer? They more than paid their dues in community college, if you ask me. It's not something to look down on.</p>

<p>And matt's right, it might not be the brightest thing to speak negatively of transfers. You know, since you're in the UC Transfers forum and all.</p>

<p>Prestige isn't that important to everyone. Some people genuinely do prefer the "lower" UCs to LA or Cal. And...some people just can't wait get to get out of their parents' houses.</p>

<p>I'm taking the CC route because I think the $$ factor faaaaaaar outweighs the social aspect, at least for a lower-middle-class girl like me. But CC definitely isn't for everyone. You're still a sophomore - see how you feel in two years' time.</p>

<p>Oh, and as for:

when i could go to cc for 2 years, and then transfer to ucle or berkely and graduate from there??? its like a reward for doing bad??


Admission to UCLA or Berkeley isn't guaranteed for CC transfers. There's an application process just like there is for incoming freshmen. So no, it's not a reward for doing badly. It's a reward for working like crazy in community college and achieving the grades. It's a second chance for a lot of high school students, yes, but it's definitely not a reward for high school slackers.</p>

<p>no sorry, i didn't mean reward for doing bad in a derrogatory way or anything, but theres this kid at my school who cheats all the time, barely does any homework, doesn't get good grades, and he plans to just go to coommunity college, and then transfer to a goood uc and focus in cc, where i am working pretty hard in hs, will probably end of going to a low uc or high clastate, and end up graduating from a less prestiguos college. i wa just wondering why should i even try and just go to cc and transfer to a good uc cus i am off to a bad start already.. but i agree the social part is enormous of attending a 4 year and not cc</p>

<p>that kid who plans to transfer now as a soph in hs, had a brother do that who now goe to uc irvine, a great school, after slacking in hs</p>

<p>I couldn't disagree more with what the original poster said. Not that I am biasing my statement due to the fact that I am a community college student. There are many different reasons why a community college attendance, before a 4 year institution, is better.</p>

<p>When you first attend high school, you are still young and just out of middle school. For many, academia is something that is not professed by parents or even the individual themselves. As people grow with time, so does their view on life. For someone to be not allowed to attend a university institution, like UCLA or Berkeley, because they were not mentally ready in high school, is completely disheartening. What this system does is allow for someone who has grown to be given the chance to show that they are, in fact, top tier university material.</p>

<p>Someone could easily be more qualified to attend a top tier university while a senior in high school compared against someone who has a high grade point average. Just because their grades early in high school don't represent them now, doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to show their potential.</p>

<p>Also, you fail to recognize financial differences. Many people lack the ability to be able to afford to attend a four year university for 4 years. What this system allows for is for people to get an undergraduate education for a less expensive price then transfer to get their upper graduate major work completed. It also allows for people to build up more scholarship opportunities while at a community college.</p>

<p>A few points.</p>

<p>First, in theory, the transfer program is a benefit to the state because CCC transfers spend around half the time at a university and graduate with approximately the same level of education. So, we take up half the university resources that I normal student does...sort of.</p>

<p>Second, consider the supply and demand of transfer seats. If everybody planned on transfering, then it would be a lot harder to get in as a transfer. Currently, I do believe there is a disparity between the difficulty of getting into UCLA/Cal/UCSD as a transfer student vs. a freshman. Why the disparity? I think that top high school seniors are more concerned with the immediate gratification of going straight into a four year university vs. waiting a couple of years and getting into a better university. As long as they display this bias, the playing field will be pretty open for less motivated transfers.</p>

<p>Just some info the freshman admit rate to Berkeley is 23.2%. While the transfer admit rate is 28.8%. To say why not just go to to CC and transfer into Berkeley is a definite accomplishment. It is almost just as difficult to transfer into Berkely as it is to get into out of high school.</p>

<p>Some students who fill their four years of high school with AP and honors classes, club participation, volunteering, sports involvement, and part-time jobs want a university's exhilarating academic and social environment straight after high school even if it means attending a less prestigious university.</p>

<p>I had a brilliant, highly motivated friend who wanted immediate immersion in a complete university environment after high school. She desperately wanted to go to Berkeley, and senior year she did get into Berkeley. But she got in spring semester. Uninterested in Berkeley Extension or community college, she attended UC Davis, graduated in three years, and is now at Harvard Law School. She loved Davis and exploited the school's resources. </p>

<p>Tier-1, tier-2, and tier-524 universities can satisfy ambitious students.</p>



<p>I think you're probably right, but difficulty does depend on the self selectivity of the two applicant pools.</p>

<p>One more IMPORTANT thing...
As a double minority (hispanic woman) graduate of CAL, the year, Steve "the" WOZ" dropped out..It was an absolute privilege & honor to get accepted as a transfer student after 2 years at Cal State LA. Yes, the very controversial "affirmative action" existed, however, there were no TAG, IGETC, etc. programs to speak of. Virtually every course taken at a Cal State, then,was not transferable. Once accepted, one had to PROVE themselves daily to be able to compete with the quantum caliber students. </p>

<p>To this day, 28 years later, UC Berkeley on a resume, grant proposal, political or academic committee application, room mom or soccer team coach application, et al, <name your="" form="">, still carries the prestigious reputation.</name></p>

<p>Getting a BS in Computer Science after 6 years of undergrad work was
worth the loss of my brain cells, blood, sweat & tears depleted in Evans Hall & Sproul Plaza.
If given the choice of transfer to a top tier UC vs attending a lower tier UC from High school, I think the future benefits far outweigh the latter choice.
....No matter what it takes, time, sacrifice, delayed gratification, etc.</p>

<p>Graduate schools are biased towards accepting the top tier UC's. It looks good to their Alumni member fundraising Board members.</p>

<p>Also, another path is, if one is in good standing at a particular UC, one can transfer to another campus as a Junior, depending on major availability. UC Merced & Riverside are open to average students right out of High School with many scholarships specific to thier campus ready to bestow on prospective students.</p>

<p>We are privileged, indeed, to Live in America! the land of Public education and the land of a second, third & fourth chance to fulfill our dreams!</p>

<p>Good Luck to All of you~</p>