<p>just out of curiosity i am just wondering why don’t many students from Hades particular Exeter go to REED. without taking the “preppy” factor into consideration (because Reed is everything but preppy), Reeds academic program seems to be quite similar to many Hades schools academic programs especially Exeter because REED has “conference” style classes similar to Exeters harkness. Anyone know why? Im curious.</p>
<p>Personal preferences.</p>
<p>Two thoughts:</p>
<p>Perhaps for some of the same reasons that many people don’t include the California boarding schools (Thacher, Cate, etc.) in their BS “apply to” mix…too far, not enough “prestige”. I don’t know much about Reed, but from what you describe, sounds like it could be like Williams in Mass — and I’m sure Williams has its share of kids from the NE boarding schools.</p>
<p>Additionally, I think there is some of the “stick with ‘brand names’” thing with colleges as well as BS. Parents have heard of Stanford before, and might be willing to send junior across the country for what they feel is a known entity. They might not be willing to send (and pay tuition for) the same kid to a school they’ve never heard of. </p>
<p>And we’ve seen some folks pick apart the Andover matriculation list because a graduate ended up at what they felt was a “lesser” college. Some people see the “HADES” schools as a launch pad for the Ivies, etc. I do not share this perspective.</p>
<p>Just my parental opinion.</p>
<p>Reed does not participate in the USNews & World Report ranking system. They don’t report data to USN&WR.
[Reed</a> College | Admission | Reed College Admission Office](<a href=“http://www.reed.edu/apply/news_and_articles/college_rankings.html]Reed”>http://www.reed.edu/apply/news_and_articles/college_rankings.html)</p>
<p>If you’re obsessed with rankings, you won’t apply to Reed.</p>
<p>@dsterino: Like it or not, that still won’t convince many people to add Reed to their “consider” or “apply to” lists. Just look at how some folks on the BS forum apply exclusively to the “most famous”/ultra-selective schools…even though there are many others out there that are “essentially at par” academically with those schools. </p>
<p>Trying to expand people’s consideration set of BSs has been a thing for me for over a year now, but all you have to do is take a look at the “Official list of 2012 Acceptances” to see how unsuccessful I’ve been…</p>
<p>“academically though REED is essentially at par with most IVY’s and top tiers”</p>
<p>For those who believe undergrad PhD prep can be related to academics:
Percentage of graduates getting a PhD
Academic field: ALL</p>
<p>PhDs and Doctoral Degrees: ten years (1994 to 2003) from NSF database
Number of Undergraduates: ten years (1989 to 1998) from IPEDS database </p>
<p>Note: Does not include colleges with less than 1000 graduates over the ten year period.
Note: Includes all NSF doctoral degrees inc. PhD, Divinity, etc., but not M.D. or Law.</p>
<p>1 35.8% California Institute of Technology<br>
2 24.7% Harvey Mudd College
3 21.1% Swarthmore College<br>
4 19.9% Reed College<br>
5 18.3% Massachusetts Institute of Technology<br>
6 16.8% Carleton College<br>
7 15.8% Bryn Mawr College<br>
8 15.7% Oberlin College
9 15.3% University of Chicago<br>
10 14.5% Yale University
11 14.3% Princeton University<br>
12 14.3% Harvard University<br>
13 14.1% Grinnell College<br>
14 13.8% Haverford College<br>
15 13.8% Pomona College<br>
16 13.1% Rice University
17 12.7% Williams College<br>
18 12.4% Amherst College
19 11.4% Stanford University
20 11.3% Kalamazoo College<br>
21 11.0% Wesleyan University
22 10.6% St John's College (both campus)
23 10.6% Brown University<br>
24 10.4% Wellesley College<br>
25 10.0% Earlham College
</p>
<p>My take would be that after the mini-college environment at HADES etc., a lot of kids want something substantively different–a larger pond, etc. Reed’s problem might be that it is <em>too similar</em> to the BS environment (even if a lot more liberal than many of them). FWIW, Reed is an excellent school and for the right kid is a great fit. Really, really bright student body & first rate faculty.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t necessarily rate a liberal arts college’s “eliteness” by the percentage of its grads continuing on to earn a PhD. If anything, I see a high percentage as symptomatic of the students graduating w a degree in some unemployable major and not being able to gain admission into medical/law/business school or gain immediate employment.</p>
<p>I need to know what discipline the PhD’s are: engineering or philosophy?</p>
<p>Does this help? Not all breakdowns are available.</p>
<p>Percentage of total grads getting PhDs in Engineering, Hard Science, and Math</p>
<p>PhDs and Doctoral Degrees: ten years (1994 to 2003) from NSF database
Number of Undergraduates: ten years (1989 to 1998) from IPEDS database<br>
Note: Does not include colleges with less than 1000 graduates over the ten year period
1 34% California Institute of Technology<br>
2 24% Harvey Mudd College
3 16% Massachusetts Institute of Technology<br>
4 10% Reed College<br>
5 9% Rice University
6 8% Swarthmore College<br>
7 8% Princeton University<br>
8 7% Carleton College<br>
9 7% New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology<br>
10 7% University of Chicago<br>
11 7% Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute<br>
12 7% Case Western Reserve University
13 6% Harvard University<br>
14 6% Carnegie Mellon University<br>
15 6% Johns Hopkins University<br>
16 6% Haverford College<br>
17 6% Grinnell College<br>
18 6% Cornell University, All Campuses<br>
19 5% Kalamazoo College<br>
20 5% Stanford University
21 5% Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
22 5% Yale University
23 5% Cooper Union<br>
24 5% Oberlin College
25 5% Lawrence University
26 5% Bryn Mawr College<br>
27 5% Williams College<br>
28 5% Pomona College<br>
29 4% Colorado School of Mines<br>
30 4% Bowdoin College
31 4% Earlham College
32 4% Brown University<br>
33 4% University of Rochester
34 4% University of California-Berkeley<br>
35 4% Wabash College<br>
36 4% Duke University
37 4% Worcester Polytechnic Institute
38 4% Amherst College
39 4% Stevens Institute of Technology
40 4% St Olaf College
41 4% Hendrix College
42 4% Beloit College<br>
43 4% University of Missouri, Rolla<br>
44 4% University of California-San Francisco<br>
45 4% Occidental College<br>
46 4% Alfred University, Main Campus<br>
47 4% Allegheny College<br>
48 4% Whitman College
49 4% College of Wooster<br>
50 4% SUNY College of Environmental Sci & Forestry<br>
51 4% Mount Holyoke College<br>
52 4% Bates College<br>
53 4% College of William and Mary
54 4% Knox College<br>
55 3% Franklin and Marshall College<br>
56 3% Georgia Institute of Technology, Main Campus<br>
57 3% Washington University<br>
58 3% Long Island University Southampton Campus<br>
59 3% Macalester College<br>
60 3% University of California-San Diego<br>
61 3% Dartmouth College<br>
62 3% Wellesley College<br>
63 3% Trinity University<br>
64 3% Juniata College
65 3% Ripon College<br>
66 3% University of California-Davis<br>
67 3% Florida Institute of Technology
68 3% Polytechnic University<br>
69 3% Michigan Technological University<br>
70 3% Columbia University in the City of New York
71 3% Lehigh University<br>
72 3% University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign<br>
73 3% Centre College<br>
74 3% Hampshire College<br>
75 3% University of Pennsylvania<br>
76 3% Wesleyan University
77 3% University of Michigan at Ann Arbor
78 3% Colorado College<br>
79 3% Bucknell University
80 3% Davidson College<br>
81 3% Northwestern Univ<br>
82 3% Texas Lutheran University<br>
83 3% St John's College (both campus)
84 3% Furman University<br>
85 3% Hope College<br>
86 2% Clarkson University
87 2% University of Virginia, Main Campus
88 2% Illinois Institute of Technology<br>
89 2% Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State Univ<br>
90 2% Union College (Schenectady, NY)
91 2% University of California-Santa Cruz
92 2% Lafayette College<br>
93 2% Brandeis University
94 2% University of Dallas<br>
95 2% Rhodes College<br>
96 2% University of Notre Dame<br>
97 2% Middlebury College<br>
98 2% University of Wisconsin-Madison
99 2% Colgate University<br>
100 2% Hiram College
</p>
<p>very impressive! :-)</p>
<p>I have to admit that I NEVER even heard of Reed before it was mentioned that Steve Jobs dropped out from there.</p>
<p>then you’ve answered your own question about why don’t many students from Hades go to REED</p>
<p>My boyfriend is going to Reed next year! He also attends Andover.</p>
<p>Reed doesn’t necessarily have the best reputation at Andover, seeing as many recent graduates were the ones who most people knew as … well… just look at the “Reed stereotypes” video, I think you know what group I’ll say that these students fell into.
However the Andover Reedies I’ve met are some of the smartest people I’ve ever encountered in my life. Reed has a reputation because not many people know about how truly wonderful the school is. Reed attracts a very specific type of student, and many people simply do not fit that mold.</p>
<p>I plan on applying to Reed when I’m a senior!</p>
<p>Also, I hope this school stays under-the-radar… A 30% acceptance rate at a school of this caliber is sure to decline in the next few years.</p>
<p>One of the smartest women in my HS class went to Reed and is a PHd/working scientist now. And yes, it did have a reputation back then that earned it the nickname “Weed”.</p>
<p>This thread has put Reed on my radar, come college time.</p>
<p>fondly puts on an elegantly calligraphed Love Reed lapel pin from decades past…</p>
<p>Reed provides unsurpassed and profoundly transformative education yet remains an “undiscovered gem” school.</p>
<p>If relatively fewer kids from acronym prep schools matriculate to Reed, I’d guess there are a variety of selection biases in play: As noted in OP, it’s not a “preppy” place. As noted by 7D, the kinds of selection criteria that land you in HADES (be it location, prestige, etc) might continue that bias toward going to Big Name University. I’ll add that if you are a varsity athlete and wish to continue your sport, Reed is unlikely to be at the top of your list.</p>
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<p>The Reedies I know are not only brilliant thinkers, they are profoundly interesting people. Reed has always had a self-selecting bias, appealing to idiosyncratic and iconoclastic thinkers. And yes, along with all that swimming against the cultural currents, comes a fair bit of self-medicating and exploration.</p>
<p>I’d just add from talking to both faculty and students recently, Reed institutes one of the most <em>rigorous</em> undergraduate curriculums you are likely to find. I’m not at all surprised by its high ranking in graduate program attendance.</p>
<p>But c’mon folks, it’s not Harvard, Yale, or Princeton…so why would you even bother considering it? ;-)</p>
<p>I’m an Exeter student, and I think that at least two kids from my class will be attending Reed next year. I applied but got waitlisted. I think that Reed waitlists a lot of kids who are applying to higher tier schools and are not likely to matriculate at Reed. This may be a common problem for Exonians because they want to have a lot of options for college and will at least try for a lot of harder schools. Also, I loved what I understood of Reed’s academics, but their student life seemed to be vastly different from Exeter’s, i.e. more hippy and less preppy.</p>
<p>Another possibility is that those waitlisted weren’t quite as qualified (according to whatever criteria Reed used–this can be based on features as well as stats) as those accepted. Ultimately a school’s projected yield determines how many are accepted. If too many accept there can be, e.g., a housing shortage. The waitlist is a tool for insuring that just the right number matriculate, and waitlists are often quite deep for class crafting purposes.</p>
<p>Another school flying under-the-radar is Sewanee The University of the South. President Emeritus of Middlebury College, John McCardall, is the Vice-Chancellor at Sewanee. There is a good video about the school on their website.</p>