<p>U of T, McGill and UBC are quite prestigious internationally. U of T suffers academically because of the large class sizes there, UBC and McGill are on par academically with good U.S. public schools like UVA, UC Berkeley…</p>
<p>“it seems like the answer is that most Americans are too narrow-minded”</p>
<p>That seems a bit harsh and primitive to say, it’s not unusual for a student to first start looking at colleges in their native country. You could say to other students of other countries who are only applying to colleges of their home country; are they narrow-minded too?</p>
<p>The idea of applying to a foreign school as a safety seems awkward to most students, including me.</p>
<p>Trans-national firms know McGill, just like they know U. Beijing, EHT Zurich, etc. Finding a job from such a company is not hard. Last year there were 2 Goldman Sachs Global leaders from McGill (Harvard only had 1).</p>
<p>Sfgiants,</p>
<p>McGill is for you… All the Canadians who’ve been blabbering b.s. should be ashamed of yourself. McGill is prestigous! The school has international recogniton if you ever decide to work outside of Canada. Sfgiants, if you want an accredited university with a party scene, then McGill will be the right place for you if you can get in. Western is also an excellent university but you’ll be drunk by 9 am, high by 9:15 and ready to party from 10 back til 2 in the morning. If you can do that and concentrate on school work, then Western is for you! However, the university is nationally known. U of T? Internationally known, and it doesnt get any better than Toronto. The university has 3 campuses with a billion different buildings… Did I say huge? Huge! However, your graduate classes will be small and you’ll be able to focus. It’s all what you make of it. I made four choices for Canadian universities: U of T, McGill, Queens and Western.</p>
<p>McGill —> outstanding University
U Toronto —> also extremely good</p>
<p>UBC —> surprisingly good, and well ranked on Times</p>
<p>Queens and Western –> meh</p>
<p>the rest is **** and southpark says that Canada is evil so…</p>
<p>One thing to consider about life at Canadian universities is that the drinking age in Canada is 18. This creates a very different kind of experience, particularly if you are in a fabulous city like Montreal or Toronto. What it means is that, instead of hanging out and partying in a dorm or Greek house, where the tendency will be to drink for its own sake, you could be at a jazz or alt-rock club sipping a beer or wine and having a great night out. This sort of experience is very appealing to my d, who would not enjoy other sorts of college experiences, like tailgating and drinking to excess.</p>
<p>just go to Amsterdam for god sake.
UVA, VU or even de HSE will offer you a great education
drinking age is 16 for drinks under 12.5% , 18 for rest
Cannabis and Hasj legal at 18 years (same for Prostitution)
Good club scene
Excellent bar-hop scene
Beatiful City overal, Great tourist city (Rijksmuseum, van Gogh, Flowermarket, Anne Frank etc etc etc)</p>
<p>It’s up to you … but i sure as hell know where Cartman, Kyle, Kenny and Stan would go…</p>
<p>ubc’s not bad. too much focus on grades though imo.</p>
<p>i applied to waterloo…let’s just see what happens
very superb math university
the largest in the world & among the most prestigious
so don’t put down canadian school</p>
<p>like weenie, my S considered a couple of Canadian colleges. But, a neighbor is from Toronto, and she said that the schools up north had extremely large classes, even larger than the UCs. So, Son chose UCs for safeties.</p>
<p>OT bluebayou… wasn’t that from CSI: Miami ?</p>
<p>What I’m hearing about McGill is that lower level classes are quite large, but they go down for upper-level. Frankly, that sounds like what I hear from my friend’s daughter who is at Harvard. Students who go to McGill have to be fairly mature, since folks live off campus starting sophomore year. Evidently you can get decent housing near campus and have it cost less than a dorm – something impossible in NY or Boston. And the Times of London ranks it in the top 20, 25 internationally.</p>
<p>I used McGill as a safety and I think it was one of the best decisions I made in the college process. Though ideally I would like to be in a small, liberal-arts community, I know that I just might not get into my top Liberal Arts colleges since I am a white girl from a highly populated state without any super-outstanding stats. McGill’s tuition is half that of my other safeties which are private, and much more prestigious (my other safeties are schools like Conn Coll, Skidmore etc), it is in a FABULOUS location, plus I found out within a month after I applied. As I wait for my other decisions to arrive it is enormously comforting to have the McGill acceptance in my back pocket.</p>
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<p>Coming out from high school, Canada was never even an option for me. I came from a decent high school, about 86% graduation rate, and most of us goes to college. Average GPA is around a 3.3-3.5. I have never ever heard of McGill before coming to here. The term narrow-minded is that we wouldn’t even consider Canada if we knew about it, that’s simply not true. Most of us don’t even know about Canadian universities. We figure that any Canadian university that’s worth going out of state for (cause not everyone’s gonna go to Ivy’s, JHU, Michigan, ect) is gonna be too competitive. No one has data to back it up, but that’s gonna be the general thought in high school.</p>
<p>well in that case, why not make british schools your safeties (Bristol, King’s College, etc.). many are easier to get into, england is a lot more bad ass than canada and america and its cheaper</p>
<p>Are British schools cheaper, given the strength of the pound and the transportation costs?</p>
<p>According to london school of economics and poli science, the average undergrad tuition there for an international student is around 20,000 pounds a year. Therefore, not so cheap for international kids.</p>
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<p>Totally agree, but U of T and all Canadian schools will work you for your money worth. If you can stay in top 10% of the class it’ll be equivalent of probably WUSTL or maybe even at Cornell(maybe not as high) level.</p>
<p>for Intl. student their tution is just doubled ours and about 2.5x-3x in more professional of programs (i.e. commerce and Engineering)</p>
<p>IMO, if it’s not one of the top schools in the states, top 20. Then it’s more worth it to come to Canada to save the money or it you are canadian (you should stay here instead of goig to like UNC-Chapel Hill or Emory)</p>
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should research more :). Although UofT is extremely competitive, if you are an average student, you’ll have to get use to getting Cs. For some americans, it’s devastating to see their marks go from 90s to 60s.</p>
<p>And note average at Utoronto and UBC(probably) is 65-69. Anything above 70 will be rare, because the prof in the course is required to write a letter to the Dean of F-A&S explaining why the final average is above 70, and usually the marks get adjusted down to a C+</p>
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<p>Even more important is the fact that those planning on professional schools may find themselves super screwed. I’m good without Canadian schools, thanks. :D</p>
<p>I’m American whoz been living his entire life and done all his schooling in Canada, and I’m desperately waiting to go home, I’m gunna sound like a hypocrite here, but anyways I think I will end up choosing to go to U of T or Queen’s, work my ass off, and nott spend astronomical amounts on getting a B.A. at a private American school and hopefully get into grad program at a top 25 u.s. school loll.</p>
<p>“And note average at Utoronto and UBC(probably) is 65-69. Anything above 70 will be rare, because the prof in the course is required to write a letter to the Dean of F-A&S explaining why the final average is above 70, and usually the marks get adjusted down to a C+”</p>
<p>I think that’s a bit of an exaggeration. My friends and some close family members go to U of T and not all of them are that smart, but they work hard and they are able to at least pull a B+. </p>
<p>“Even more important is the fact that those planning on professional schools may find themselves super screwed”</p>
<p>Grad school admissions committee always take into account the rigor of the undergraduate school, the program, and the grading system.</p>