<p>Why don’t UC’s have an information technology major but CSU’s do?</p>
<p>UCs tend to be more theoretical in orientation, CSUs more practical.</p>
<p>UCs are research institutions, and don’t offer much in the way of “trade degrees”. For that reason UCLA doesn’t have an undergraduate “business” pr “Accounting” degree. However, Berkeley does, so go figure.</p>
<p>^ So UCLA doesn’t offer undergrad biz and accounting because they are seen as “trade” degrees? Interesting.</p>
<p>If UCLA was smart in these challenging budget times, its Anderson school should offer these degrees…and charge a premium.</p>
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And I heard that in the 80’s they shut down a thriving journalism program in one of the largest media markets in the country for the same reason…</p>
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I don’t think UCLA lacks an undergraduate accounting or business program because it’s more practical. I feel the university lacks such programs because, historically, many reputable universities did not offer the programs.</p>
<p>Undergraduate business used to be offered more frequently at lower tier universities and trade schools. For this reason, many midtier universities, such as a number of the other UCs, do not offer an undergraduate business program as well as a number of prestigious universities, such as Harvard or Stanford.</p>
<p>Times are changing, however, and undergraduate business programs at respectable universities are gaining traction and so I do believe that UCLA should establish an undergraduate business program. Change takes time, though -.-</p>
<p>UC Irvine just introduced a Business Admin program a few years a go. The major is super competitive and I suspect it’s going to help the school greatly in regards to popularity and ranking. UCLA should do the same!</p>
<p>I dont think UCLA offered journalism, but I could be wrong, mikemac; at least, I couldnt find reference to it. I think its a good move by the university re this major in this instance because the field of journalism, newspapers, etc, print media as we know it, is generally losing subs and is dying out. </p>
<p>UCLA did at one time offer BuAd, and in fact John Anderson - Why Mister Anderson, WHY? - [for whom](<a href=“John Edward Anderson - Wikipedia”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edward_Anderson</a>) the b-school is named, majored in it at UCLA and also played hockey at the u. Id like to know what his thoughts are on this. </p>
<p>Anderson offers undergrads classes in accounting and finance, and theres a minor under the Bus Econ degree for accounting. The academic people believe that anything UCLA grads want to do in the various bus sectors can be done with a Bus Econ degree (as well as other degrees), which is true. But the demand as UCB stated, would be such that Anderson could charge a premium. Btw, what is the premium charged by Haas in addition to regular tutition for those Cal grads admitted to the major as jrs? UC is big on large professional degree fee step-ups at the grad level, but undergrad level?</p>
<p>Also, I think the academic people would be worried that those pointing toward bus careers would seek admission to Anderson undergrad and lose focus and maybe transfer out if these students were denied, the all-or-nothing thought process. They could offer admission as frosh… but there are problems associated with this. One of these problems is diversity for those admitted to the major might be lot different to what the administration at the u wants. </p>
<p>Add, that the academics would rather, at the moment - hope this changes - combine an academic subject, econ, with a supposed non-academic one, bus, to give it an interdisciplinary validity. This thinking is wrong, because bus finance is a wholly academic subject. So Id agree that trade is not necessarily the reason here, and the issue is more about academic validity. </p>
<p>A lot of people at Anderson want the school to go completely independent, and this would undoubtedly affect the status of classes for undergrads. The u would reimburse Anderson for continuing undergrad classes in accounging and finance but where would this leave a full major in bus, with say, finance emphasis? Private u fees? So for the sake of brining back a buad major, Id hope the school stays within the u.</p>
<p>Maybe I’m not looking at the right page, but it doesn’t seem like Haas charges a premium for undergrads.</p>
<p>[Registration</a> Fees - Office Of The Registrar](<a href=“http://registrar.berkeley.edu/current_students/registration_enrollment/feesched.html]Registration”>http://registrar.berkeley.edu/current_students/registration_enrollment/feesched.html)</p>
<p>UCLA may be reluctant to do so if Berkeley doesn’t.</p>
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You can find several listings on the web of people that claim a degree in journalism from UCLA; these seem to be older people.
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A columnist with The Denver Post, Susan holds a master’s degree in journalism from UCLA and has been a reporter with U.S. News & World Report.
[Background](<a href=“http://www.kirshnercommunications.com/people.htm#st]Background[/url][/quote”>http://www.kirshnercommunications.com/people.htm#st)
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<p>… in journalism. The fourth, Mr. Flynn, had a degree in journalism, without reference to it being a masters or bachelors.</p>
<p>I’m not trying to be a jerk, mikemac, I like your posts a lot, but I question whether UCLA ever had an undergrad journalism program, and I think this is what we’re talking (posting) about here.</p>
<p>One of the better school newspapers in the country is UCLA’s Daily Bruin and the students there operate it without a journalism major. It’s a pretty large paper on a daily basis, except during finals and off periods.</p>
<p>Yes, Berkeley does not charge a premium for Haas. It is one idea though to increase revenue. But it definitely poses challenges such as does the school/department keep the extra revenue? If so, it would likely create have and have not departments. Things would have to be sorted out before implementation.</p>
<p>… didn’t mean to hijack your thread.</p>
<p>I think one of the reasons why UCs don’t offer the IT major is because they feel there’s not enough coverage to major in it.</p>
<p>You’d probably be taking a lot of classes related to IT like CS courses, which are certainly legitimate. </p>
<p>If the CSUs have a lot of upper-division IT classes, I would be leery.</p>
<p>The question I would ask is: Are all these classes legitimate or are they trying to ride the current popularity wave and offer this major?</p>
<p>When I think of IT, I think of Devry or some other for-profit. Not that Devry wouldn’t get you where you wanted to go, but a lot of these extremely narrow specialty majors can restrict your movement professionally.</p>
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Yeah, maybe not, I only have 2nd and 3rd hand information. What we need is some UCLA student to read the thread and go to the library to look at old Catalogs; probably not going to happen ;)</p>
<p>Judging by the catalogs on the registrar’s site, Journalism was not offered as of 1995. I wouldn’t know where in the library to go if I wanted to find old catalogs.</p>
<p>Not everybody wants to take 10 programming languages when they want to go the IT route.</p>
<p>… is to learn 10 languages, if that’s what you mean, rather that you’re probably expected to be able to program in them.</p>
<p>If you can program in the lower forms, the computer-eze as it were, then the various differences in syntax of the languages shouldn’t be a problem. Someone correct me if I’m wrong. So it’s not about learning the syntax of Z, “okay class, today, let’s learn about Zs boolean capability.” You’re probably up and writing pages of code in a language you don’t really know.</p>
<p>And I’m sure teh lines between CS and CE are somewhat blurred with each taking a bit from each: CS majors taking hardware, CEs taking software.</p>
<p>UCLA first offered a master’s degree in Journalism in 1950. The degree was discontinued some time in the late 70’s, and the Journalism department disappeared a couple years later. I didn’t find any evidence of an undergraduate journalism degree, but I only looked in about 5 catalogs between 1950 and 1980 before I had to leave for class. A few of the earlier catalogs did explicitly mention that undergraduate journalism wasn’t offered and suggested a course of study for people planning on getting a graduate degree in the subject.</p>
<p>I’ll try to go back later to look at the catalogs more carefully. They were really fascinating.</p>
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<p>CS programs usually include an introduction programming in a specific language, focusing on general principles of programming. Then there are more advanced classes on general principles of programming languages. But Computer Science is about far more than simply learning how to program and certainly about far more than racking up a bunch of languages you know how to use.</p>
<p>In the course of doing a CS degree my daughter learned C++, Java, Scheme, OCaml, Matlab, UNIX shell scripting, and CVS not by taking classes in them but through taking other classes and doing research. As ThiscouldbeHeaven says, the approach is to master principles of programing as well as theory and other topics. Then you can just write a language if you need to. Like to solve a problem of efficient processing for a specific application.</p>
<p>I think IT type degrees are often offered in schools through the business program. So if a research university or school offers a Liberal Arts oriented undergrad program, like Brown and UCLA, they won’t have it.</p>