<p>Well put, Mercymom. Will Obama make the same mistake with foreign leaders that he made with Rev. Wright? Short term thinking…very scary in a president.</p>
<p>poets heart - You’ve really got to be kidding. You are really going to try and debate that this guy Wright is a bigot?</p>
<p>[Breitbart.tv</a> Obama Tries to Explain Typical White Person Comment About Grandmother](<a href=“http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=66034]Breitbart.tv”>http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=66034)</p>
<p>This link provides a video of Larry King interviewing Barack Obama about the “typical white person” comment. It answers quite clearly ilsa’s, “Was Obama ever called upon to explain his “typical white person” comment?” question.</p>
<p>But I suppose people who desperately need to “kling” to the belief that Obama was being “racist” won’t bother to watch this one either:rolleyes:</p>
<p>Yes Spidey. Scared? Did you watch the video?</p>
<p>POETSHEART: I am not doing the running this time - at least not right now. I have been debating this morning for far too long. I’m spent and off to try to be productive.</p>
<p>I will offer you a quote of a prior post of mine - I am not allowed to provide the link because it is to youtube:</p>
<p>“On eyeblast.tv there is a video called “A Video Portrait Of Barack Hussein Obama” which people can find if they look for it. I wasn’t able to include the link b/c it isn’t permitted. In any case, while it isn’t my taste it’s a brief guide to some of the concerns about Obama.”</p>
<p>It is crass, but covers some of the concern over Wright. Please watch it in its entirety and then respond (I figure that since you were giving out assignments, you might accept one as well).</p>
<p>poetsheart: “Yes Spidey. Scared? Did you watch the video?”</p>
<p>I detect some negative emotion there, so I’m done for now. When tempers rise, reason leaves the room.</p>
<p>Once again, BTW, there is no spin which will satisfy me (and MANY other people), no matter how well executed, when it comes to the phrase “typical white person”. But keep trying.</p>
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<p>I ask you if you’ve watched the extended video of the actual sermon, and ask that you comment on it specifically, and you come back with some second had commentary on “people’s concern about Obama”:rolleyes:</p>
<p>Ok…by all means, go off and do something “productive”. The fact that you’re not willing to engage in real and honest discussion of Wright’s words, but prefer to fall back on right-wing spin speaks volumes.</p>
<p>Yes I’m detecting same. I never called Obama a racist. I have simply pointed out a double standard. Most fair-minded people will agree that if Mitt Romney, or Hillary Clinton, for that matter, called any African American a “typical black,” based on ANY observation, they would be toast the next day in terms of presidential politics.</p>
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<p>Spidey, you asked me if I was serious about debating whether or not Wright is a bigot. I was simply answering you. I asked if you were scared because, apparently, you’ve not even bothered to watch the extended video clip of Wright’s sermon, despite the fact that you’re convinced it’s full of racist hate speech. Since you seem unwilling to draw your conclusion from first hand analysis, I could only wonder if fear fueled your disinclination. The only “temper” that was rising, I assure you, was your own. I was not in any way angry, but I was most assuredly mystified.</p>
<p>Wow, lots of posts between poet and spidey while I was watching the chicken roost video. Of course, then I had to google to find out when the US bombed Panama and read that. So here I am.</p>
<p>First, Poet, I’d actually watched that video before. Trinity UCC has posted several full versions of some of the sermons on You Tube and I have watched at least 3 of them (i think). But I still don’t agree with Wright. At least not now. This gets into politics cause you have to start that Hiroshima debate again (please don’t, i’ve got laundry to do), and then there’s getting rid of Noriega, bombing Qaddafi, etc. There’s nothing racist about the sermon per se (altho he did focus on killing black Panamanians), but there is an argument that could be made about it being anti- American. It would take time to do the research to fully flesh that out.</p>
<p>The problem with some of this is that the terrorists who flew the planes into the WTC weren’t avenging Hiroshima, the Japanese are our allies now, Qaddafi is practically a best bud now (lots of US business investment going on in Libya). The terrorists are pursuing a whole other agenda.</p>
<p>But it’s not just Wright. I had to go get my car from the mechanic the morning of 9/11, right after watching everything live on TV. I was literally shaking. The mechanic was this white fundamentalist Christian (I AM NOT A FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN !!!) who immediately told me he thought it was great what had happened, it was what we deserved and he felt sorry for “poor Saddam”, the US had treated Saddam rotten so we deserved what had just happened. I paid for my car and left.</p>
<p>I was shocked at the time and still am that people think we “deserved” 9/11 somehow. I think bombing Hiroshima helped end WWII, even though it was a terrible thing. I couldn’t sit in a fundamentalist church any more than I could sit in Trinity UCC. It will take me a while to absorb some of what Poet and others have shared. I can’t say I will agree with any of them on any one thing, but the increased understanding of their positions is worth the effort.</p>
<p>Mudder’s_Mudder, did you notice how loudly the crickets chirped when you proved the loud and emphatic claim that “Obama has never worked across party lines”, unlike Clinton, to be patently false—ie., A LIE?</p>
<p>Sadly, some people will never let truth in the way, and will undoubted repeat this same lie over and over. If you proclaim a lie long enough and loudly enough, there will always be legions of intellectually lazy people willing to accept it at face value.:rolleyes:</p>
<p>btw - being a Mormon made Mitt Romney toast for President and the Texas polygamy thing will probably make him toast for VP too (we’ll see, he’s spending Memorial Day weekend in Arizona with McCain, along with Crist and Jindal).</p>
<p>The point is not to have you agree with Wright. I don’t agree with a great deal of what he says. The point is to show how one might agree with him and how, even if one does not, one might not feel compelled to leave the church.</p>
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<p>Please try to understand here. Wright is not thinking so literally and serially as you are here. His point is that when America bombed the Japanese, others saw it and it colored their perception of the country. Hiroshma was a lesson in how America deals with others. They learned that should they ever get into a spat with America, they must be willing to slaughter innocents, much as America has always done since the very first Native American was slaughtered. Wright is saying that America has taught the world, especially poor nations without nukes, how it must deal with America. They must bomb and slaughter Americans, just as Americans have always bombed and slaughtered others. With terrorism, America’s chickens are coming home to roost. I certainly agree with this. It is quite true indeed. Terrorists would simply be unreasonable to think they can bargain with America when America has so often dishonored its treaties against weaker parties, and so often bailed out on agreements that people depended upon. Because of America’s historic treatment of others, terrorists know they must kill and maim until there is no more America or until America wearies of stopping them. Wright is quite correct on this point, in my view. And there is nothing outlandish about it – nothing racist, nothing weird.</p>
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<p>Spideygirl:
Translation: “My mind’s made up - don’t try to confuse me with reality.”</p>
<p>And as to the “typical white/black person” issue? OK, I’m a white guy. If I say “A typical black person will be concerned that they will be pulled over by the police if they drive in a white neighborhood even if they haven’t done anything wrong” am I a racist? Or am I simply making an observation that anyone, with any skin color, could make?</p>
<p>Parent2noles, please if you would, further expound on this statement:
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<p>What exactly do you mean by “black nationalism”?</p>
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<p>As a “typical black person” who received long, hard looks by some residents when I drove slowly through an upscale white neighborhood (looking for the residence of a friend), I can relate to that sentiment. If I’d have been a black male instead of a black female, I probably would have begun looking into my rear view mirror every few minutes, halfway expecting to see a patrol car on my bumper.</p>
<p>Obama explained that social conditioning had a lot to do with his grandmother’s tendency to fear black men she didn’t know. The same type of conditioning explains blacks’ tendencies to fear DWB and reactions of racism from whites in predominantly white neighborhoods. Obama’s comment speaks to long ingrained perceptions of the individual, perceptions that don’t necessarily reflect the reality extant in the particular circumstance being feared. This is why Obama stressed the importance of honest dialog between the races, undertaken in the spirit of understanding.</p>
<p>The same black racism that caused Jesse Jackson to say:</p>
<p>"There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody White and feel relieved.”
– Jesse Jackson</p>
<p>Don’t forget Bill COsby practically being disowned by the black community for his comments that black youths.</p>
<p>So if I said that as a ‘typical white person’ I’ve received long, hard looks by some residents when I’ve walked slowly through downscale black neighborhoods looking for my parking garage and that I cross the street to avoid them…and if I were a female I’d probably be jumped for sure…</p>
<p>it would not bother you? Okay. I believe you. I feel sad for your negative experiences.</p>
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<p>Yep, certain blacks loudly condemned Cosby’s statements. Many others rallied around him, or privately amongst themselves absolutely agreed, saying it was about time somebody said what he did. There was no monolithic black response to Cosby’s statements! He was not “practically disowned by the black community”. It probably better suits your politics to believe that he was, though.</p>
<p>BTW, did you watch the extended Wright video? Can you point out the racist hate speech?</p>