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So, Barrons, you think that Obama isn’t “progressive” enough, isn’t “black” enough, and --gasp-- is almost as bad as Bill Cosby? [shudder] </p>
<p>The horror. </p>
<p>I always saw you for a closet raving lefty, Barrons :)</p>
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<p>Then you obviously don’t understand it. When blacks are arrested ten times more than whites for the same crimes, and when they are sentence to penalties twice as harsh as whites for the same crimes, and when they are three times more likely to die than whites of the same illnesses due to the white control medical establishment’s repeatedly proven bias against blacks, the change is only superficial to large numbers of blacks where it really counts. </p>
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<p>Where Farrakhan is concerned, most blacks, even among his supporters, do not tolerate hate. They instead receive his help and encouragement. They do this because it is help that meets them where they live. They think they can’t afford to reject it because the number of people able to relate to them is too small already. As I said, I personally have no tolerance of Farrakhan. But I certainly understand why some blacks have enough to overlook his comments and receive his support. I teach against him, and encourage those who would be attracted to him to think otherwise, but, hey, I cannot judge them harshly for being drawn to him because the fact is, these folks are often desperate, and I know what it means to be desperate.</p>
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<p>Hah. “Balance” is not a word these folks understand. Rush Limbaugh is balanced to them, and so is Ann Coulter. The Klan is a bit right of center in their view. (grin)</p>
<p>Obviously I come at it from a different place but his characterization of the smooth empty suit certainly squares with my view of the guy.</p>
<p>Dross-most inner city hospitals where many blacks go have more minority doctors and staff and admins on board than whites. If they are not getting the care you allege maybe they need to talk amongst themselves. Or maybe they do not follow doctors orders, take their meds on time and a whole bunch of other things that lead to negative outcomes. A black run hospital in LA has been closed due to rotten performance.</p>
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<p>Of course this is hopeless. Not all blacks are served by inner city hospitals. Indeed, not even most are. Multiple studies have shown that even when the economics are the same between white and black patients, white doctors simply do not treat blacks with the same care as they do whites, so that blacks are prone to die far more than whites of the same illnesses.</p>
<p>Moreover, inner city hospitals are almost always pressed for funds because they serve populations that have little to no money. In LA, the inner city hospitals are heavily burdened by illegal immigrants and other poor populations such that in many cases they cannot even offer basic care because they just don’t have the resources. This is nothing new. It has been true for multiple decades.
[Small</a> Inner-City Hospitals in U.S. Face Threat of Financial Failure - New York Times](<a href=“http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE4DC1631F932A1575BC0A96E948260]Small”>http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE4DC1631F932A1575BC0A96E948260)</p>
<p>Do blacks have better outcomes if they go to black doctors?</p>
<p>Dross,</p>
<p>First your NYT link is about lower income areas whereas your opening statement discusses blacks not in the inner city.</p>
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<p>Would you agree that African Americans are more susceptible to certain disease, i.e. diabetes. ?</p>
<p>AS in another thread you should not jump to conclusions! White docs may not immediately look for a problem caused bya recessive gene. Going back to my brother I highly doubt a black doctor would look for melanoma.</p>
<p>It seems to me this thread has digressed from the OP and we need to get back to it. </p>
<p>I believe there is a fundamental issue of you don’t get me, but that has nothing to do with Obama running against Bush</p>
<p>Well, barrons limited black treatments to inner city hospitals, as if that somehow was the end of the story. I only pointed out the limitations of those hospitals.</p>
<p>Poetsheart: I figured you would shy away from addressing the specific concerns about Writght as laid out in that video. Dismissing it all is so much easier.</p>
<p>What video, Spideygirl?</p>
<p>“I think David Duke had a lot of good days as well. Come to think of it, if you were to count all the words quoted or written by Adolf Hitler, you’d find that most of what he said was not about exterminating the Jews.”</p>
<p>I guess you can’t see that you just proved my point.</p>
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<p>spideygirl - perhaps your opinions would be more respected if you had your facts straight. It has been reported over and over and over again in the media that he did not attend a Muslim school. I have to wonder why people continue to spout off lies about him, despite it being mainstream knowledge otherwise. What is the agenda behind it?</p>
<p>It would be like my trying to defend my opinions by saying McCain had an illicit affair that produced an illegal child. We all know that tactic was used against him, yet was eventually proven to not be true. If I ever tried to report that as a fact, I can guarantee people would lose all respect for anything I’ve ever posted because it looks like I’m uninformed and desperately digging for reasons not to vote for McCain, even to the point of perpetuating lies. Everyone has heard that Obama has never, ever, ever, been Muslim. Some people choose not to believe it, despite every major media outlet confirming it (and despite the uproar over his membership with a CHRISTIAN church).</p>
<p>poetsheart: see post 85.</p>
<p>Here’s your point again Hunt, and I didn’t prove it: “The myth here is that Wright was spewing “garbage” on a regular basis. This does not appear to be true at all. If this were phrased as, “Occasionally over the course of 20 years, Wright made a few extreme statements that weren’t at all like his normal sermons,” this whole thing wouldn’t sound like much. It sounds better, though, to say that he was spewing garbage for 20 years. Even Rush Limbaugh doesn’t spew garbage every day.”</p>
<p>What I said before: “I think David Duke had a lot of good days as well. Come to think of it, if you were to count all the words quoted or written by Adolf Hitler, you’d find that most of what he said was not about exterminating the Jews.”</p>
<p>Let me explain: Just because a person isn’t spewing hate speech every day doesn’t mean it still isn’t a situation of monumental concern. The situation with Wright is of monumental concern.</p>
<p>So, Spideygirl, you take seriously a moronic assemblage of out-and-out lies (Obama attended a Muslim sciool!) rank stupidity (Ooooh - Obama has not just one, but three “Islamic names”!) and oh-so-thinly veiled racism (Obama’s father was a black Muslim (picture), his mother (picture) a white American!) presented by a buffoon who actually succeeds in making Anne Coulter look almost sane by comparison? (And that was all just in the first 2 1/2 minutes. I didn’t have the stomach to keep watching. ) Have you ever bothered to check the nonsense in your favorite web-smear? You know - against those things we call “facts?” Aren’t you embarrassed to actually urge people to watch that tripe?</p>
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<p>If Obama were white, he would have been laughed off the stage for beginning a Presidential campaign one year after leaving a state legislature – the most inexperienced major Presidential candidate in at least a hundred years.</p>
<p>Actually, with six years in the state Legislature and being in his third year in the U.S. Senate Obama currently has more experience than President Bush and former presidents Carter and Reagan, each of whom had only eight years in office, all at the state level, had when they were elected.</p>
<p>I know - why should “facts” get in the way of a good rant?</p>
<p>Hey, Spideygirl: here’s an expose of your favorite disinformation video: [Christian</a> Soldier Is Behind the Obama Smear Video | Threat Level from Wired.com](<a href=“Christian Soldier Is Behind the Obama Smear Video | WIRED”>Christian Soldier Is Behind the Obama Smear Video | WIRED) Turns out the film is by “Molotov” Mitchell, and is just one of a series of grossly offensive and incredibly stupid assemblages of lies, bigotry, ignorance and hate-mongering.</p>
<p>Odd that you failed to notice.</p>
<p>Ahhhh that video…</p>
<p>Tell you what, spidey; I’ll comment on your video when you watch and the one I referenced first, and address the questions I posed to you first. Where is the hate-filled, David Duke type of racism in Wright’s sermon? Why won’t you watch to sermon?</p>