Why is card counting illegal in casinos and other things that defy logic

<p>I don't understand how they can say you can't remember the cards</p>

<p>Because casinos exist to make money, not to make sense.</p>

<p>I've often wondered how they "know" that you're counting cards? it's not like they can read your mind.</p>

<p>^ I don't think they really care whether you are or not. If you do exceptionally well at Blackjack more than once, they want you out of the casino. They can't prove you were counting, but they don't need to.</p>

<p>It isn't illegal. Casinos just tend to have policies against card counting because they do like making money. But you won't be thrown in jail for counting cards.</p>

<p>But how can they justify it. I mean legally, how can they kick you out just for winning? I know why but why is it allowed legally for them to not allow you to gamble just because you win? I'm not trying to be dense, I know why they stop the winners from winning, but how is that acceptable?</p>

<p>Card counting is not illegal.</p>

<p>As of October 2011, there are no federal, state or local laws which prohibit card counting in the United States as long as no external card counting device or person assists the player in counting cards.[17] Casinos continue to offer blackjack only because the vast majority of unskilled casual blackjack players more than make up for the small number of advantage players capable of reducing the casinos' edge. In their pursuit to catch card counters, casinos misidentify and ban unskilled casual players whose betting style (or lack of) unknowingly mimics betting patterns of card counters.[18]
In all parts of the United States, with Atlantic City being the sole exception, casinos may bar any player for any reason including card counting as long as the Federal laws against discrimination based on race, creed, sex, national origin, age, or physical disability are not violated.</p>

<p>Last casino I was in used a 4 deck tray and shuffled half-way through. Counting would provide very little advantage under those circumstances.</p>

<p>I had a colleague (very smart geeky programmer) who quit work to become a pro gambler by counting cards at blackjack. I caught up with him about couple of years later and asked how it went and I thought it was quite interesting.</p>

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<li><p>Firstly, counting cards isn't illegal but the casinos are private property and have the right to refuse anyone they want, including card counters.</p></li>
<li><p>He actually won enough money over the course of over a year to live fairly reasonably on - better income than a higher level programmer. He gambled in many casinos - Vegas, Tahoe, Atlantic City, Caribbean. </p></li>
<li><p>He said that some casinos would basically turn him out as he walked through the door but others, even though he was winning and he knew that they knew he was counting cards, would let him stay. Maybe it was because he was creating some excitement.</p></li>
<li><p>He didn't care whether there were multiple decks played from the shoe because the odds were not skewed that much due to it. This is different than if there were multiple decks that were shuffled every single play.</p></li>
<li><p>Since he made decent money doing it I asked him why he quit and he said he ended up quitting the business because it was very hard work. He had to concentrate a lot on the cards being played while ignoring the purposeful distractions the casinos are placing there (scantily clad nice looking women with free alcohol). He also had to spend a lot of time at it - hours and hours - more than a 40 hour week. In addition there'd be times when regardless of the calculated odds, he'd be 'down' a lot of money (tens of thousands) but had to stick with his logic despite the emotions that come into play when this happens. Ditto when he's up tens of thousands.</p></li>
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<p>I think it's not that hard for the casinos to tell if someone's really counting cards at the pro level as opposed to an amateur playing at it and I think it's because of what I said above - someone concentrating very hard, not paying attention to the distractions, taking it quite serious, doing it for hours, making consistently good plays, and often, winning.</p>

<p>I have a friend like GladGradDad's, but he didn't have the luck of being winked into casinos that knew he was counting. He was banned from everywhere.</p>

<p>An alternative is to do what the MIT students did: get one person to count cards and send subtle signals to a 2nd player who actually makes the appropriate bets while pretending to be drunk/flirting/just lucky/whatever. But eventually the casinos will throw both of you out. They take counting cards very seriously.</p>

<p>Back in the mid 70s in Boston I was recruited as a female companion/camouflage/accomplice for a guy who counted cards in Las Vegas. He was looking for someone who was a good card player with an excellent memory who could concentrate on cards while having a few drinks, dealing with the scene, etc. Apparently looking like a couple would make it easier for him to escape detection. I ended up not doing it...I don't really recall why, since it sounded like fun.</p>

<p>I's not illegal but it's also not tolerated because of people like my dad and his two brothers who use to go to Vegas every year and between the three of them win six figures. The last time they were escorted out of every casino they tried to play Blackjack in. They still manage to make some money by going off the strip to little casinos in outlying towns. But it's not like the old days.</p>

<p>My son has been "escorted out" of a casino when he wasn't gambling. Why? He was wearing his MIT ring and they assumed he was a card counter.</p>

<p>^^^ Sounds like a perk for MIT grads' parents! No worry they cam become gamble-holics.</p>

<p>Surprising they look that closely at the jewelry.</p>