<p>Specifically, Virginia, North Carolina, Texas and Michigan. It seems like a decision has been made to keep this information private.</p>
<p>I’ve done more than my share of web surfing, looking for some stats related to the above question, and haven’t been able to find anything consistent. At one point I called an adcom at UNC and asked her what the 25% - 75% SAT scores were for OOS admits, to get a rough idea of difficulty. She gave me a number, which wasn’t too high, BTW. Just for the heck of it, I called again the next day and spoke to a different adcom and got a totally different number.</p>
<p>Am I missing something? Is this info out there and somehow I keep overlooking it? Am I the only one who cares? Is there a conspiracy to keep these numbers secret?</p>
<p>We ran into the same problem several years ago–I was particularly looking for Michigan and Illinois. If you do find out, please let the rest of us know.</p>
<p>There’s no “conspiracy.” The schools simply have not perceived the need or the benefit (to them) of separating out, compiling, publishing, and updating and maintaining that information on their website. When someone can show them what benefit *they<a href=“not%20their%20potential%20applicants”>/I</a> gain by doing so, they will. Until then, they have other things to worry about.</p>
<p>For Michigan, you might be able to find a link to an applicant score table that applied before the lawsuits forced them to change their admissions practices to some extent. Try looking at the Detroit Free Press. Although the table is now “inoperative,” I would guess that the expectations and weights are still fairly similar, for applicants with no special hook. Part of the reason that Michigan does not show the OOS numbers separately is connected with their rolling admissions, I think. It becomes progressively harder to be admitted as the year goes on. For anyone thinking of Michigan, I highly recommend submitting the application ASAP, if you have not done so already.</p>
<p>I agree with Chedva. OOS students are a variable but comparatively small subset of students applying. In the most recent admitted class, 37% at Michigan were OOS and that is a relatively large number compared to others. UNC I believe has a cap around 18%, I think the numbers are similar at UVA. The University of California system historically runs at <10% OOS depending on the school. The new 10% rule in Texas requires UT-Austin to accept up to 75% of its class from high school students graduating in the top 10% of their Texas public high school class; I think last year UT was close to 85% Texan. When you factor out Internationals and athletes, OOS represent a very small population at these schools.</p>
<p>The rule of thumb given to us by our son’s GC was assume you need to be in the 75th%-tile statistically in order to be competitive OOS. I don’t how he came up with that, but watching my son’s friends’ efforts, it does seem fairly accurate.</p>
<p>I think the rule of thumb vinceh references is a good one and reflects our experience as well. bird rock, have you stumbled upon Dean J’s blog at UVA? She is very forthcoming with the information she has. A lot of discussion comes from the comments, questions and answers. [Notes</a> from Peabody: The UVA Application Process](<a href=“http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com%5DNotes”>http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com)</p>
<p>vinceh: just to add, the rumor mill around here is that most of that increase to 37% OOS are full pay and had lower stats than in previous years…it would be interesting to see the increase in % of OOS at UMIch over the past 5 years…</p>
<p>My d went OOS to UVa. It is 1/3 oos students.</p>
<p>Virginia looks at more than the GPA and test scores, however you should be above the range for admission. It is getting harder to get in every year. I have looked at Naviance from her high school, and I don’t know if my daughter would get in now.</p>
<p>I think this is at least close to authentic–it’s like the one I remember reading. The SAT’s have now have to be converted to the 2400 scale, and I suspect that GPA’s of admitted students have gone up a bit–so you should assign fewer points for unweighted GPA’s below 4.0.</p>
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<li><p>As I recall, you needed a minimum 100 pts to qualify for admission, but the pecking order was from highest score on downward. How different the process is now is anyone’s guess.</p></li>
<li><p>GPA is unweighted Michigan GPA - i.e., sophomore and junior year core academic classes only, no phys. ed. or arts classes.</p></li>
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<p>The other thing interesting about the chart is that ECs and leadership were really non-factors in admission. At best, if an applicant qualified on a National level, they’d only qualify for 10 extra points. For all the gnashing of team on CC about ECs, under the old system a typical applicant could only hope for 2 points.</p>
<p>Penn State admissions are transparent with OOS on an even footing with state residents. Regarding UVA, I’d like to lift the covers to see how people from NOVA compare with the rest of the state for admissions.</p>
<p>Bird rock, I’ve had the same issue with Texas. Three generations of my family have gone there, but now we’re OOS (even though I will ALWAYS be a Texan, lol). I think my son’s stats are good enough, but it’s nerve-wracking not knowing.</p>
<p>You’re absolutely right. We live in the Western part of the state and full disclosure, my D is a first year at UVA. She was also admitted to Michigan with merit money. We must have been in that small percentage of OOS applicants at Michigan with higher stats and no money, but I wonder if we lived in NoVA would she have been as fortunate? When D mentions a new friend at UVA, I ask the normal mom questions, where are they from, where did they go to school, etc. etc. etc. More than 50% of the time she’s mentioned students from TJ. It has to be tough for the “bright, but not bright enough to go to TJ” kids.</p>