<p>A lot of students are also drawn to the cities in the mid-Atlantic up into the Northeast.</p>
<p>Ack! I wish I could typ! I meant to say tht I wasnt *sure what you meant…</p>
<p>FWIW, I’ve found that the folks in rural areas were not terribly different whenter they were in the rural north or the rural south.</p>
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<p>Must be. Here in California our governor has an accent all his own too.</p>
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<p>I grew up an Air Force kid and lived in many different states in all regions of the country for ~2 years at a time. And the place where I found the highest proportion of friendly people was New Mexico.</p>
<p>Dear JHS,</p>
<p>I have never been to Philadelphia and had always planned to go until today when you have convinced me otherwise, and wow, do you do a good job of proving someone else’s point. Excuse me while I go turn up the volume on my Lynrd Skynrd 8 track in my truck with the confederate flag (and don’t forget the gun rack) and call my sorority sister to cancel my trip to Philly. She seems to think it would be better for me to wallow in my thin-skinned resentment rather than give all of that up to attract your wonderful children. I am just too insecure to decide…What to do, what to do.</p>
<p>I didn’t start this thread to convince people that the South is heaven on earth. I didn’t start this thread to whine. I started this thread to ask people to look at how they are prejudging and passing that on to their children and to suggest that this is not the place for that. Go back to my original post and replace the people in the quote with a different race or gender or age. That wouldn’t be acceptable. Why is it wrong for someone, anyone, to object to being stereotyped? The “I’m more stereotyped than you are so shut up already” argument is just a little strange to me. I do not like it anymore when the Midwest is stereotyped as a vast wasteland of mediocrity either. It’s a cheap shot to insult someone or a group and claim that it’s their problem for having thin skin and being insecure.</p>
<p>I think there are quite a few places/groups who are often ‘bashed’ with impunity by some, including the South, L.A., New Jersey, WASPs, Liberals, Conservatives, blondes, Long Island, the French…etc</p>
<p>I dislike the South, Midwest, and the Northeast, yet I will be going to a school in that area. LOL.</p>
<p>Oh, I forgot lawyers, housewives and ‘salesmen.’</p>
<p>OMG! What about “contractors”?</p>
<p>“Not sue what your point was in quoting the line ablout the guy in the overalls… Can you explain?”</p>
<p>What I was trying to say was that stereoptypical examples are easily found in many regions, but that they don’t define the region or the people who live there.</p>
<p>This may have been already stated in an earlier post. Here’s a good answer to any South bashing: Forbes just published its list of best cities for new grads. Topping the list were Houston, Dallas, and Austin! Further on down the list were Raleigh, Atlanta, etc. </p>
<p>We’re born and bred New Englanders, son is in school in Texas. My first trip to Houston was an eye opener - as multicultural as NYC, but with more sunshine and flowers!</p>
<p>“I dislike the South, Midwest, and the Northeast, yet I will be going to a school in that area. LOL.”</p>
<p>Wow. That’s a pretty broad sweep of dislike! If you are heading to school, you must be fairly young. I can’t believe you have spent enough time and had sufficiently varied experiences to have decided that you dislike such a VAST geographic area, and by extension, its people. This may be what the original post was all about.</p>
<p>Jym: “FWIW, I’ve found that the folks in rural areas were not terribly different whenter they were in the rural north or the rural south.”</p>
<p>I agree. I found more similarities between Maine and S.Carolina than between Maine and Massachusetts. (except weather, of course).</p>
<p>Actually, for pregnancy rate among teens, Nevada is number one and Arizona is number 2. The south is more heavily represented than the northeast. However, Delaware just misses the top ten at #11, Maryland at #13, NY at #14, and NJ at #16. Virginia is #32 and WV is #35. So, I guess none of those sterotypes hold water all the time, do they?</p>
<p>We can’t very well contend that rejecting the South is the same as rejecting a race. One cannot change one’s race but one can change one’s region. Also, the reason many Northerners move south is not because of an affinity for Southern Culture, but for simple reasons like climate and access to resources. Florida has so many older northerners because it is warm. Northern Virginia is now populated by people who mostly come from the North or whose recent ancestors were Northerners because the region is close to Washington DC, and provides government jobs and jobs from companies that serve the government. Though technically southern, Northern Virginia is culturally quite northern. One therefore will very rarely, if ever, see a Confederate Flag in Northern Virginia. That is why people here on these forums are able to claim they live in “The South” but have rarely seen a Confederate Flag. Virginia, like many southern states, is really two regions, one that is essentially northern in culture, and one that is southern. We see this division quite clearly each voting cycle. Northern Virginia’s voting pattern is essentially northern, while the southern part of the state votes in a more conservative manner. Not coincidentally, as one travels to the central and southern parts of the state, one encounters a veritable cultural vacuum, with its increased poverty and its Confederate Flag.</p>
<p>The people of the South are as capable as anyone else. I was raised with them and have seen their quality at their best and certainly at their worst. It is their culture that is inferior. It is vastly inferior to the historically more industrial north. I think similarly about certain aspects of black culture compared with certain aspects of white northern culture. But black culture has an excuse for its predicament, being a subset of southern culture (It has no excuse for retaining its more inferior southern influences). Southern culture has no excuse at all. The best schools (Duke is really not as fantastic as very many of the northern schools, and we ought not kid ourselves here), the best scholars, musicians, artists, craftsmen, almost uniformly exist in the north largely because southern culture still retains a pernicious and invincible ignorance that compels it to hold onto wrongs that harm those who come into significant contact with it. Kids raised in the Deep South will under perform those in the North for the same essential reason why blacks will generally under perform white kids. Culture. Blacks have just caught a tougher end of the cultural stick, due to our history. Southern whites really ought to know better. That they continue to fly the Confederate Flag, officially, and at the expense of those the South tried to harm, and that they officially extol the virtue of the Southern Confederacy (a group whose leaders actually declared that The Declaration of Independence is wrong and that America has no right to exist), are not causes of their inferiority. They are symptoms of their cultural inferiority.</p>
<p>Once again. I was born and bred in the South and have also lived many years in the North. I have suffered racism in both the North and South. I nevertheless find Northern culture superior on the whole and think the South benefits in culture and industry when Northerners move South. It is boorish to criticize race because race does nothing in and of itself. It does not change, and a person of any race may possess any human culture. Criticizing regions, regional culture to be specific, is quite valid. </p>
<p>That many southern regions are now multicultural is not the result of southern culture. It is the result of climate, proximity to resources and to our nation’s government. Because of northerners, Southern culture has already changed for the better. Duke and Vanderbilt, such as they are, are not the schools we praise because of southern culture. Review the school’s leaders and its student body and one would likely find it swamped with non-southerners. THAT is why the schools are what they are. Their southern roots are actual impediment to the greatness, not facilitators. Because of an increasing influx of people from the North and from south of the border, the old south will continue its well-deserved death.</p>
<p>(no time for editing. Not meant to hurt any person or people. Comments pertain only to things that we may change and that I think need to change.)</p>
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<p>Senator Webb discusses that issue in a most interesting manner. It is his position that northerners and companies based in the north intentionally appropriated southern resources and, also intentionally, made sure that education in the south was under-funded and inadequate. To the victors go the spoils and all that.</p>
<p>Either Drosselmeier is joking or he is just a joke! I mean come on, how can someone who considers themselves to be educated be so ignorant!</p>
<p>hahahah, I get it! Ignite the thread, that’s what we all need on a Monday morning!</p>
<p>“Northern Virginia’s voting pattern is essentially northern, while the southern part of the state votes in a more conservative manner. Not coincidentally, as one travels to the central and southern parts of the state, one encounters a veritable cultural vacuum, with its increased poverty and its Confederate Flag.”</p>
<p>Wow. I grew up in south central Virginia, and I never knew it was such a cultural wasteland. Of course, this and most of the rest of that post, is nonsense. It is true, I suppose, that most small towns and rural areas in the South don’t have access to live opera.</p>
<p>I very much enjoy the Southern Culture vs that of the NY/NJ area I was raised in where the only real culture is grab as much as you can as fast as you can. All the rest is window-dressing.</p>
<p>Post #75 is a synopsis of why many southerners would like to slow or stop the influx of northerners and keep southern culture just the way it is today!</p>