<p>Ohh, my bad-- the correct term for a backwoods hillbilly is a yokel, not yokey. And maybe, just maybe Enrico Leide <em>did</em> jump off the train in Atlanta, exclaiming “I got a hankerin’ for some Cokey-Coley and peanuts”. If he asked for a bushel of cotton while he was here, he’d have covered the entire state’s industries :D</p>
<p>Ohhh, me bad again. Coca Cola wasn’t invented by Pemberton until 1886. So Enrique Leide would have had to have had a hankerin’ for moonshine and peanuts. Where’s that class lecture on southern history when we need it. Oh drossie, where are you???</p>
<p>“And you would characterize being born in a specific part of the country “a behavior”?”</p>
<p>No. I was born in the South, but am by no means a “Southerner”. I characterize remaining in a specific part of the country and then adopting its cultural idiosyncrasies as behaviors.</p>
<p>“So, condemning a child as an illiterate ignoramus strictly because he had the misfortune to be born to parents who live in the south is not ridiculous.”</p>
<p>It has nothing to do with a particular child. It has everything to do with the inferior culture that condemns that child to a life of Southern stupidity and recalcitrance in the face of the obvious fact of his need for positive change.</p>
<p>”I would say that your contention ‘that criticism of culture is NOT the same as criticizing a race’ has been disproven by your very own posts.”</p>
<p>Well of course you would say this, but that is only because, as is evident in your questions here, that you do not understand the contention in the first place.</p>
<p>“You can’t blame/credit the South for the origins of rap music.I thought most of the original rappers were from the NYC boroughs ie Grandmaster Flash et. al.”</p>
<p>Almost all of whom have their cultural roots in the South. Vast numbers of these blacks, about six to ten millions of them, [moved</a> North from the South beginning in 1877 and continuing right up until the 1970’s](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American)]moved”>Great Migration (African American) - Wikipedia). The intensity of this migration increased significantly around the early 1900’s. They moved because southern culture, especially its withering racism against blacks, virtually compelled them to. Your rappers, the anger, violence, all of it, came from this.</p>
<p>“Drosselmeier - Your arguments are just strange. All blacks _______ insert your favorite behavioral stereotype here___<strong><em>. All Southerners </em></strong><em>insert your favorite behavioral stereotype here</em>___. Neither is fair, is it?”</p>
<p>What is unfair is that you’ve corrupted my argument into the intellectual abortion you’ve presented here.</p>
<p>“Sadly, poor Dross sounds like a cultural self-loather, and as such, would find the “inferior” south intolerable. That is pitiful. Self loathers tend to put down everything and everyone associated with the background from which they are trying to distance themselves.”</p>
<p>It is actually love of self that causes me to reject the South, a region that has historically hated freedom and people like me so much, it literally sent its sons to die for the right to enslave me, my wife, and my children, all to perpetuity. Reason demands any thinking person, any true American really, to reject the culture that even today extols the “virtue”, so called, of this effort and the men behind it.</p>
<p>Because I love myself, I take great pains to admit my faults when I see them so that I may make cultural adaptations that help me live better. By no means am I perfect. I have many, MANY faults. But I try very hard to see them and then change them (This is not Southern trait). This tendency caused me to evaluate the South and then reject it. The culture there is more poisonous, especially for black people, than virtually anywhere else in America. Whether one agrees or disagrees with me here, it is perfectly fine that I evaluate and then reject a region based on its culture. It is by no means the same as rejecting a race.</p>
<p>“I think Drosselmeier and attitudes like his are precisely why so many Southerners distrust/dislike Northerners.”</p>
<p>Rather than dislike Northerners, perhaps they might try to learn from them. In my view their dislike has done nothing but caused the South to remain in its ignorance, while others have moved there to eat their lunch. I do understand where they are coming from. Many of us blacks suffer the same unwillingness to learn from whites because of how often and persistently whites have looked down their noses at us during slavery, during Jim Crow, and even today as we suffer the fallout from these atrocities. But it is to be expected that we would recoil from the very culture that harmed us and still does harm us. The South has no excuse. Its dislike of Northerners only hurts the South-- until others take over, that is.</p>
<p>Getting back to the original topic, here are regional stereotypes that cover just about everybody including the South:</p>
<p>Where to live after Retirement</p>
<p>You can live in Phoenix , Arizona where…
- You are willing to park 3 blocks away because you found shade.
- You’ve experienced condensation on your butt from the hot water in the toilet bowl.
- You can drive for 4 hours in one direction and never leave town.
- You have over 100 recipes for Mexican food
- You know that “dry heat” is comparable to what hits you in the face when you open your oven door.
6 The 4 seasons are: tolerable, hot, really hot, and ARE YOU KIDDING ME??!!</p>
<p>You can Live in California where…
- You make over $250,000 and you still can’t afford to buy a house.
- The fastest part of your commute is going down your driveway.
- You know how to eat an artichoke.
- You drive your rented Mercedes to your neighborhood block party.
- When someone asks you how far something is, you tell them how long it will take to get there rather than how many miles away it is.
- The 4 seasons are: Fire, Flood, Mudslide, and Drought</p>
<p>You can Live in New York City where…
- You say ‘the city’ and expect everyone to know you mean Manhattan
- You can get into a four-hour argument about how to get from Columbus Circle to Battery Park, but can’t find Wisconsin on a map.
- You think Central Park is “nature”.
- You believe that being able to swear at people in their own language makes you multi-lingual.
- You’ve worn out a car horn.
- You think eye contact is an act of aggression. </p>
<p>You can Live in Minnesota where…
- You only have four spices: salt, pepper, ketchup, and Tabasco .
- Halloween costumes fit over parkas.
- You have more than one recipe for moose.
- Sexy lingerie is anything flannel with less than eight buttons.
- The four seasons are: winter, still winter, almost winter, and construction.</p>
<p>You can Live in the Deep South where…
- You can rent a movie and buy bait in the same store.
- “y’all” is singular and “all y’all” is plural.
- "He needed killin’’ is a valid defense.
- Everyone has two first names: Billy Bob , Jimmy Joe, Billy Ray, Mary Sue, Betty Jean, Mary Beth, etc.</p>
<p>You can live in Colorado where…
- You carry your $3,000 mountainbike atop your $500 car.
- You tell your husband to pick up Granola on his way home and he stops at the day care center.
- A pass does not involve a football or dating.
- The top of your head is bald, but you still have a pony tail.</p>
<p>You can live in the Midwest where…
- You’ve never met any celebrities, but the mayor knows your name
- Your idea of a traffic jam is ten cars waiting to pass a tractor.
- You have had to switch from “heat” to “A/C” on the same day.
- You end sentences with a preposition: “Where’s my coat at?”
- When asked how your trip was to any exotic place, you say, “It was different!”</p>
<p>AND You can live in Florida where…
- You eat dinner at 3:15 in the afternoon.
- All purchases include a coupon of some kind – even houses and cars.
- Everyone can recommend an excellent dermatologist.
- Road construction never ends anywhere in the state.
5 Cars in front of you are often driven by headless people.</p>
<h2>“Today, old southerners still defend this most disastrous philosophy and this is why the South is inferior.”</h2>
<p>No…this is why some old southerners are inferior. Let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater.</p>
<p>zoos - here in Texas, it’s peanuts in the Dr. Pepper…though I’ve never developed a liking for it. My momma taught me food and beverage do not go in your mouth at the same time. ;)</p>
<p>“I am no snob.”</p>
<p>I just about choked on my RC Cola and Moon Pie when I read this. Maybe we should stop feeding the ■■■■■, y’all.</p>
<p>coureur, do you have one for Pennsylvania?</p>
<p>Let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater.</p>
<p>lol, southern catchphrases…do you people have any more?</p>
<p>
Coureur- I thought the 4 seasons were Fire, Flood, mudslide and earthquake. …</p>
<p>alipes-
How about “He’s so southern he’s related to himself”</p>
<p>
and to think you just said the south had no culture. Ohh, my head is spinning. So the south is responsible for all the evil bad things associated with African- Americans. By that absurd logic, so too is the south responsible for all the GOOD wonderful, teriffic (add the accolade of your choice) things that African -Americans have done as well. Sheesh. You can’t have it both ways. Wait, why stop at the south-- take it back to their African roots… or to Adam and Eve, or to neanderthals. After all, when it comes to views of the south, you, sadly, seem to still be in the stone age. Funny how the correction of the Atlanta historical inaccuracies got conveniently ignored. You love yourself and thats why you hate the south? Double sheesh. Methinks we have a narcissistic ■■■■■…</p>
<p>
Holy cow. Where do you come up with this nonsense? Might I suggest, if you are open to changing- that you get your eyes checked. Your vision seems a bit myopic.
Oops-- wasnt supposed to feed the ■■■■■. Me bad again…</p>
<p>ooh almost forgot to mention, alipes07:
All this high-spirited conversation has given me a case of the vapors.
Some posters here are busier than a one-legged man at a butt kickin contest.
You look about as happy as a tick on a fat dog.</p>
<p>“Well knock me down and steal muh teeth!” </p>
<p>“Well, butter my butt and call me a biscuit.”</p>
<p>“Don’t you be makin’ me open a can o’ whoop-ass on ya!” </p>
<p>“I’ll slap you clean into next week!” </p>
<p>“I’m as nervous as a cat in a room full of rocking chairs.” </p>
<p>“He fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.” </p>
<p>Ok… enough for tonight…</p>
<p>“No…this is why some old southerners are inferior. Let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater.”</p>
<p>The South is littered with Robert E. Lee High Schools, Lee-Jackson holidays, Jackson Streets, Jeff Davis Avenues, Confederate Flags and monuments, all paid for and continually maintained by public dollars, including dollars from the very sorts of people the South tried to enslave perpetually by constitutional law. This celebration of anti-American philosophy is not just private, but official and very public. It could not survive in any culture that respected human honor, dignity, and natural freedom. It survives and even thrives, officially, only in the South.</p>
<p>When Thomas Jefferson wrote ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal…’, he was not just saying grand words for mere effect. We must remember that he wrote them to explain why America had a right to exist. He explained that all men, regardless of their separate talents, are essentially the same so that no one man has any right to infringe upon the natural rights of life and liberty of any other. These rights are “self-evident” because without them, humans cannot exist. We know Jefferson meant to include blacks here because his [url= <a href=“http://www.duke.edu/eng169s2/group1/lex3/roughpl.htm]original”>http://www.duke.edu/eng169s2/group1/lex3/roughpl.htm]original</a> draft deliberately did so<a href=“Southerners,%20even%20in%201775,%20rejected%20the%20idea,%20leaving%20us%20with%20the%20current%20text”>/url</a>. According to Jefferson, the King of England compelled the colonists to maintain slavery, and therefore forced the colonists to commit sin against human nature. For this reason, Jefferson explained that America had a right to detach itself from England, since no one has a right to force anyone else to contradict his own essential nature. Jefferson made the argument using a number of examples, ultimately declaring America’s independence.</p>
<p>Now, the South declared that Jefferson was wrong. Its Vice-President, for example, explained that Secession and the Civil War occurred because Jefferson was wrong on human equality and that since he was wrong, America had no right to exist. It was as un-American and anti-freedom as possible, yet the South fought and died for it. Today it still compels its people to honor it by tax dollars.</p>
<p>As an American, I care about such things because I realize that if Jefferson was wrong then my country even today has no right to exist. As a black guy I care because supporting the positive memory of the government that actually made war to protect this abominable philosophy is pure lunacy, since it is a philosophy that is hostile to my status as a human being. I maintain that the South is inferior, morally, and culturally, because it does not value the glory of human expression, the first requirements of which are life and liberty. It does not understand, and never has, that if these are infringed in any way, the natural humanness of the victim is corrupted. It is the basis of the highest human culture, and the South is deficient in it compared to the North. The North had its Black Codes, but Jim Crow reigned in the South. Fascinatingly, it existed in my lifetime, corrupting the natural humanness of all humans in the region because it forbade humans the freedom to move and express as humans would naturally. The South still suffers the remnants of this philosophical abomination. It is inferior because of it.</p>
<p>It would be very difficult to find open and official support for the Confederacy in any culture that understands human nature and its natural freedom. The Southern Confederacy tried to codify inhumanity even in its Constitution. I do believe no one who understands what it means to be human could ever honor anyone who attempted to make this attempt a success. No genuinely American culture could ever compel the very sorts of people the South aimed to enslave, to support positive memory of the Confederacy and its leaders with their own sweat and life. Only in the South can such a thing take place.</p>
<p>I see no baby where the South is concerned. There is only dirty water here, and it is worthy of being thrown out. As Northerners and others move into the South, the dirty water is being thrown out.</p>
<p>“and to think you just said the south had no culture. Ohh, my head is spinning.”</p>
<p>Never said the South had no culture. I said it’s culture is inferior, specifically to the North’s.</p>
<p>But you still seem to think the South is somehow responsible for all the bad attributes of the AA culture and none of the good? Oh… the sweeping generalizations you make. </p>
<p>Wait!!! I think I get it. All the “smart” AAs fled the south for the opportunities in the north. Only the stupid and lazy ones stayed. Ahh… its all coming clear… Must be that I “get it” because I am originally from the north?? Maybe its something in the water… yeah that’s it…</p>
<p>And btw-- I had put my pen and paper away for the evening and didn’t take “proper” notes. Will there be a quiz at the end of the thread’s lecture series?</p>