Why not a college degree in sports?

From the NY Times. Don’t know if it has been posted here or not?

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/opinion/14pielke.amp.html%3f0p19G=e?client=safari

"Universities routinely give degrees in the performing arts, such as music, dance and theater, as Professor Shughart pointed out. In these programs performances are often given to audiences paying for the privilege of seeing exceptional talent on display.

Beyond our cultural biases, what really is the difference between a Shakespeare play, an orchestra concert and a basketball game? Each performance requires some high-level combination of physical ability and mental acuity, developed through years of training and study, and for which only a select few reach elite levels."

Students do not get degrees for ‘just’ performing. Theater majors also take courses in costume design, Shakespeare, set design and construction, history of theater, dozens of different types of performance, and of course all the core classes of history, science, math, English, etc. Music students do more than just play in the Orchestra or a quartet.

There are ‘sports majors’ like sports team management, recreation, physical education. My daughter does (sometimes) get a credit for playing her sport but then she has to write a paper or something to get ONE credit for her ‘course’ that takes 20 hours per week.

My college roommate was a Recreation major (as were many football and basketball players). She took courses like Coaching Soccer, coaching basketball, scheduling, but also took science and math and history as do all college students (no foreign language for Rec majors). She had a job as a recreation center aquatics director after graduation, hiring people, making schedules, ordering supplies, dealing with issues. . My brother majored in sports team management and he runs a lacrosse league. He is very knowledgeable about working with government (for permits), HR, customer service, making a schedule, making coaches and parents happy.

No one is getting a college degree for playing or performing without doing the course work that goes with it.

I don’t think @ohiopublic is saying that performing arts majors get off easy! Not at all. They have to learn all aspects of their trade and excel at it.

I do hear what he’s saying…for someone perhaps who aspires to continue with sports - probably as a player “performer” (minor or major league perhaps), why could not the same be required of them to get a degree? Along with their on the field performances they might have to take sports history, sports communication, sports business/management, sports psychology, etc.

Just as a performing arts major would do, they they graduate with that degree and start the task of finding a right job in their field - BUT it would make them more rounded as a sports person to have all the background from nuts to bolts - like a dancer or musician or actor has.

It’s an interesting thought Ohio!

The problem with the article is they are specifically addressing big time division 1 sports like football and basketball, the ones that make a ton of money for their programs and where the players basically are there to play football. With other college sports, no one would argue students should study, for example, lacrosse or women’s field hockey or soccer, because the students in those programs are student-athletes, they are primarily there to get a degree and they play sports, whereas with big time college football and basketball, they are there to play the sport and in many cases we pretend they are students (not all, there are obviously students who get serious degrees while playing those sports). When you play those sports, between practice, working out, studying game film, there just isn’t the time. And not surprisingly, these guys are mostly preparing to try and become pro athletes, college basketball and football are the de facto minor leagues for the pros.

Okay, so why can’t we compare them to let’s say performing arts? First of all, the analogy with money is ridiculous, when you talk about a division 1 college football program, you are talking coaches making millions of dollars, schools with tv contracts that bring in 10’s of millions,not to mention ticket sales for their huge stadium. I don’t know where that guy has gone to programs, but most performing arts programs are free at colleges. At Juilliard, other than when they have a big name soloist or conductor,the programs are free, and even with the high draw artist they charge a lot less than it would in the outside world. Meanwhile, last year I looked at tickets for the Rutgers/OSU game, they were like 175 bucks…

Okay, then let’s look at the concept of studying football the way performing arts majors do. Performing arts majors don’t just play their instrument or sing, or play in the orchestra occassionally , performing arts degrees have liberal arts requirements, plus they have things specific to their field, instrumentalists take whole tracks of music theory and ear training, they take courses in foreign languages (voice), they take courses in the history of theater , of shakespeare and albee and these courses are on the level of a college english major would take, while obviously the people taking these tracks are looking towards performing in the arts, it is a different experience…and in those programs while there is a lot of focus on their art, it isn’t the same thing, and they certainly don’t get away with what division 1 athletes get away with.

The problem with such a program is the same one as today. A program with a degree in football could conceivably be rigorous, with the courses in sports physiology, business, training, coaching, you name it, but you have the same problem you do today, while maybe a football player would be more interested in this, these would still take time the kid doesn’t have, there would be the same pressure as today to forgo time on the academics to practice and so forth, and soon it would come to be the same kind of sham degree that phys ed often was with athletes. While there is pressure on peforming artists with time, there isn’t exactly the same forces pushing the schools towards bending the rules for performing arts students as there is with football and basketball.

And I’m saying those degrees do exist as Sports Team Management, Sports Broadcasting, Recreation Services. They aren’t called Football Major or Volleyball Major, but those majors include the background courses just like the performing majors do. Actors take stagecraft and make up and Shakespeare, football players take ‘how to coach’ classes, broadcasting, communications. If they want to go into sports training careers, they have to take a lot of nutrition and biology courses.

Some players major in General Studies. Can’t get much more basic than that. U of Kentucky basketball players don’t major in anything as most are ‘One and Done.’

I like the U of Phoenix ad that is currently running with Larry Fitzgerald completing the promise he made to his mother to finish college. Would a degree in ‘football’ mean anything to him now? (Of course wouldn’t be offered atU of Phoenix ).

Did the opinion piece just restated parts of this 2014 article?

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2014/04/03/universities-should-create-sports-performance-degree-athletes-essay