<p>And if the Selective Service required women <em>at some point in the future</em> to register, would you be okay with it?</p>
<p>If there’s a draft, then yes. Whether the draft is military (conscription in Austria is altered for pacifists, and in most European countries afaik it is not necessarily military) is assumed to be irrelevant to your question.</p>
<p>If there is no draft, then no.</p>
<p>Also, males (aged 16 to 35) obtaining US Visas should not have to fill out a form that females do not have to fill out. </p>
<p>(Such a form currently exists and asks the applicant about military service, travel, allegiance, languages known and technical expertise.)</p>
<p>All of this is justified below.</p>
<p>Since females have demonstrated capability of military service and technical expertise in the same measure as males, there is no reason for their exclusion (notably half of the population) as human capital.</p>
<p>I don’t believe women are eqal to men, in any way shape or form, as I believe they are quite different and bring other things to the table. I do in fact believe in our species they are by far more important than the males and thus should be protected. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize a woman can only be pregnant once at a time, whereas a man can lay his seed 20x in a day. </p>
<p>So No I am not for it. </p>
<p>I am a firm believer in womens rights, but women need to realize they have a job to do. When the womens civil rights movement took place, we saw the destruction of the nuclear family. Theirs a reason success rates in children are higher in society’s where women have less rights. Look at Muslims, Jews, etc. How many of them do you see divorced. I think you get the point.</p>
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<li><p>Under the assumption of equality, everyone gets the same social contract on birth. A woman does not have “a job to do” distinct from a man.</p></li>
<li><p>There is plenty of time and opportunity for sex. Pregnancy does not actively take away from most draft services.</p></li>
<li><p>** The nuclear family has no intrinsic importance. **
It is not natural (the human instinct [prehistoric tradition] is that the community develops the progeny, often housing it communally) it is not economical (obvious) and it is not contemporarily civil (in which case anything can happen). I myself do not see the need to include a nature argument, as it is extraneous, but it is food for thought.</p></li>
<li><p>I’m letting your hyperbole in the first paragraph slide, but Muslims and Jews can be just as irreverent. What are you talking about, and to whom are you comparing them? Pass the ignorance of traditions, please. </p></li>
<li><p>Hundreds of years of tradition are easily hundreds of years of wasted time. The doltishness of the “tried-and-true” is trivial. Please do not echo it here. There will also always be the argument that traditions exist to undercut your argument, in case there is refusal to analyze critically.</p></li>
<li><p>(Editted for English)
The premise of this statement is totally wrong. Compare Nomad-Arab and Eskimo societies to Amazon. Then compare Sweden, Japan, Norway, … to Brazil and US Ghettoes. Also, read an anthropology text and take a look at the diverse cultures of New Guinea; note those that survive.</p></li>
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<p>Again, it has not been demonstrated that females are less capable in drafted force (ie armed military, community work or technical services). Please abandon pathetic ideals; pragmatically a woman is pregnant for 9 to 30 months max; you can easily work through most of this. The majority of the argument against equal service is not thought out and appears primarily in self-approving circles… and then it ignores technological applications like convenient feeding.</p>
<p>I don’t think women are “equal” to men in a physical/mental/etc sense on a general term. However, they can be.</p>
<p>Similarly, I don’t think that mentally/physically, races are the same (shocking). However, what you are doesn’t dictate who you can be.</p>
<p>Women should register for the draft, if it’s beneficial for the military.</p>
<p>If there is a draft (which I am opposed to), I wholeheartedly believe women should have to register. It’s just that their usefulness would probably be optimized via them doing something not on the combat field. Cause let’s face it – in the most general sense, women just aren’t as suited for combat.</p>
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<p>So you don’t think it’s unfair to MEN that only they are expected (in a general sense) to die during wartime and that only men are expected to potentially have to deal with the psychological effects of killing someone? </p>
<p>I understand that you don’t think women aren’t suited, but is this fair to MEN?</p>
<p>I don’t think anybody should have to register for the draft. </p>
<p>As much as I hate to say it, I don’t think women are as physically capable to fight in a war as men are. That is not to say they can’t, as my best friend is in the Army. However, I do believe that if men have to register women should have to register. There are many things to do in war they don’t necessarily involve “in the trenches” fighting so to speak, and I do believe men and women should have to do their parts rather than men doing everything because it perpetuates the stereotype that men are just there to protect women. </p>
<p>Again though, I don’t think anybody should have to register for a draft.</p>
<p>@ Dr.Horse. Seriously?! Get out of the 1950s and please join us in the modern world. My mother had much less of a hand in raising me than my father and I turned out just find. No man can ever tell me what my job is and I hope all women feel the same way. It is not our “job” to stay home, cook, clean, and look after the children. And besides, in those societies where divorce rates are lower it is simply because you CAN’T get divorced. Very often you will be killed before you are allowed to get divorced which is why no woman dare ask.</p>
<p>This was pointed out by a Iraq war veteran I know- Most women have a smaller physical size and less physical strength, which makes them less effective soldiers. If you cannot pick up a wounded male soldier and carry him on your shoulders to safety, or defeat a larger male enemy in close combat, you are a danger to the men you fight with, because you cannot help them if they need you to do either. Women could make excellent pilots or technical experts in the context of a war, but putting them on the ground in a combat role puts others at risk.</p>
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<p>So, do you believe that if women were regularly in dangerous combat roles the ratio of men dying to women dying would STILL be higher and that putting women in combat roles would INCREASE the death rate among the rest of the men? --in other words, at the end of the day, the more female combat soldiers you have, the more male soldiers will die?</p>
<p>–just wondering–
(I’m not arguing my perspective here; I’m arguing that of a book I recently read which I found intriguing)</p>
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<p>Whoa, someone’s advocating men’s rights! How revolutionary! </p>
<p>I too am opposed to a draft (I don’t see how a person is going to defend our country effectively if they’re being forced to kill). However, because I believe that all people are given certain basic rights as human beings, women should also partake in a draft.</p>
<p>But not in direct land combat, if anything, for the woman’s safety (due to physical parameters of women in general).</p>
<p>If a draft were to be inducted during my time, I’d probably join the Air Force (no surprises). I’d risk death to be able to fly an F-117. What a geometrically pleasing piece of aircraft.</p>
<p>^ah, but what if it came to the point that the position you wanted was no longer available, and you HAD to serve via on-land combat because women weren’t allowed/forced to fill combat positions and men were stuck filling all of them–with no options (unlike women)–instead?</p>
<p>(I know this is quite unrealistic, but let’s just imagine here and focus on the principle . . .)</p>
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<p>Hey, suppression of women hurts MEN too!</p>
<p>(if anyone’s wondering, the whole theme to this topic and the perspective I present comes from “The Myth of Male Power” by Warren Farrell [it’s quite outdated–1993–but it’s interesting nonetheless])</p>
<p>I don’t believe in a draft;but if there is one, women should be drafted as well; In 2004, my friends with daughters all voted for Bush-they were very detached from the whole war-I was distressed having two sons; I think everyone’s children should be subject to the draft-first of all women have shown to perform equally well-and second it will encourage us all to take our votes seriously.</p>
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<p>Oh yea, well then that would suck (mostly cause I wouldn’t be able to fly a stealth bomber, which would have been so cool). Well, if that time ever came, then that would mean that a very large amount of people were being drafted, which means a very big war. So there would be a whole lot more at stake then getting first pick on choice of self destruction.</p>
<p>I get what your saying though. With the whole sucks-to-be-a-guy-during-war thing.</p>
<p>I don’t believe ANYONE should have to register for the draft, but it’s unfair to restrict it to males.</p>
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<p>And what is the “job” women have to do? Is it:</p>
<p>a) to get pregnant and make as many babies as possible? I don’t think increasing the population would solve any of our problems.</p>
<p>b) to stay home to cook, clean, and raise children? A male could do this as well as a female.</p>
<p>^additionally, wouldn’t it then be fair (in the SEXIST sense) if at age 18:</p>
<p>~men had to sign up for the draft
~women had to sign up for childbearing in the event that our country needed more children (I know that sounds weird, but just look at the principle)</p>
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Nah; even in the sexist sense, there are pacifists, incompetents, barrens, bad parents … and people’s careers to consider.
There are many sexisms, and not all of them hold than males are suited for any arbitrary draft-service position.
Also, often people’s own plans can be better than those of the government.
What we should do at age 18 (I do not now express support for this except as an international replacement of traditional conscription) is revoke some freedoms and rights of choice if the person can’t pass a basic test.</p>
<p>(from skimming as always) is it just me or is every male on this thread saying that women shouldn’t go to register/army and every female’s arguing for men’s rights and getting drafted?</p>
<p>Every citizen should have to register for a draft. Of course, not everyone would be called up, and a great deal of people would have to be put in manufacturing jobs.</p>