<p>Once again, the draft is for filling large quantities of combat positions. The vast majority of males can fill these positions. The vast majority of women can’t. It would be a waste of time and resources to have to filter through which women could effectively pass as men when there are plenty of men who could be gathered more quickly and efficiently using the current system.</p>
<p>If, on the other hand, women are drafted but still relegated to their current (ie non-combat roles), then this problem is largely eliminated.</p>
<p>This is, again, weak. What about older veterans and younger soldiers? Isn’t there a paternal bond there? Let’s stop being so patronizing. A woman who can pass basic training can probably beat up most of the guys here.</p>
<p>So for most of you, our CORRUPT, unfair means would justify the ends?</p>
<p>What if African American men or --whoever-- were stronger on average than white men? Would that mean that if we had enough african american men to fill our combat roles, white men should just get a free pass?</p>
<p>if a black man gives up his seat for a white man, it’s subservience.
If a black man gives up his seat for a white woman, it’s being polite. </p>
<p>if a man pays for a woman’s dinner, it’s expected
if a woman pay’s for a man’s dinner, it’s Father’s Day</p>
<p>if a woman running for office never served in the military, it’s normal and completely okay.
if a man running for office never served in the military, he’s unpatriotic and has committed a whole host of sins. </p>
<p>–there’s something wrong there, and it needs to stop. Then again, that probably won’t happen for a lonnnnnggg time; definitely not in my generation.</p>
This is very new to me, and I shall not put up with it. If this is how it is where you live, then you don’t necessarily have to wait a whole generation (are you more than 40 years old?). The traditional hypernormed culture is already dying.</p>
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<li><p>I see that all the time. Not necessarily black man-white woman, but I see white man-white woman all the time! In waiting rooms, especially</p></li>
<li><p>How often do you see teen girls paying for their dates? Okay, so maybe if the guys are broke and the girls have money (which was, for whatever reason, the phenomenon where I grew up), but other than that it’s lame/cheap/rude to expect to go dutch and asking the girl to foot the bill is considered disrespectful</p></li>
<li><p>Remember Bill Clinton being called a draft dodger, for example? That wasn’t that long ago . . . </p></li>
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<p>I agree, it IS slowly dying off. But we still have a long way to go :(</p>
<p>Alright, I see what you have to go through. I hope I don’t have to see much of that in Stanford next year.</p>
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<li><p>This I can say I’ve never seen. It’s probably just the company I keep, but an adult female asked an adult male (with me as a witness) while I was in Madrid, and he told her off in words you don’t learn in Spanish class. He was probably just angry, though.</p></li>
<li><p>Uh… I’ve never went on a strict date with someone of the opposite sex. My mother, in giving me advice on the topic, advised contrary to seizing the bill, as it is insulting (tad off topic, but the closest I could get). So I’m guessing our societies just differ on that issue. (I had to Google this one, too.)</p></li>
<li><p>As above, I just had to Google that. Condolences to Bill.</p></li>
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<p>I’m not just talking about soldiers, I’m talking about in general. That’s why its a crime for a man to beat a woman (and rightfully so). </p>
<p>And a woman who passed basic training could probably beat up your average CC poster, but she would probably get her ass kicked by most males who pass basic training because the standards are so different. Look at the article I posted earlier; only the top 5% of women would even be able to pass midrange in the men’s PT standards. </p>
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<p>What if doesn’t matter; I’m talking about things the way they are. There aren’t a whole lot of differences between a black person and a white person, while a man and a woman differ substantially (on average).</p>
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<p>I don’t see too much of a problem with this. One of my friends was riding a bus a while back and saw a girl carrying a lot of heavy stuff standing up. He offered her his seat, and she started yelling at him. He called her a ***** and stepped off. </p>
<p>It isn’t about men thinking they are superior to women; it is about politeness. It may not seem fair, but that is the way things are. Sort of like how any girl can walk into a frat party while a hundred guys are told to turn around.</p>
<p>So I suppose the same attitude should’ve been kept when Abe was deciding whether or not to free the slaves? When men were considering whether or not to give women the right to vote? When parents complained of their children being physically abused by their teachers (corporal punishment), when a child lives in an abusive home --too bad, that’s the way it is?</p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>We have the power to change things, and more importantly, just because the status quo–or even society, for that matter–EXISTS doesn’t mean that it’s moral, that it should stay that way, or that it is acceptable and okay. </p>
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Huh? I think the examples I presented are trying to make men INFERIOR to women, not superior! </p>
<p>my examples:
–at least, I wouldn’t consider it to be empowering knowing that if I were a man, I would be expected to bend over backwards and would be expected to risk my life for the sake of everyone of the opposite gender, and that my role in life is to be nothing but their PROTECTOR (physically and financially). . . .</p>
<p>. . . but if that makes you feel empowered, well, my hat’s off to you.</p>
<p>Hahaaha…Lizzie Borden took an axe to some people. That’s slightly different than your average domestic violence case.</p>
<p>Yes, it is illegal for a woman to strike a man also, but in most cases if a man and woman both hit each other, it is the man who will end up going to jail. Just watch and episode of COPS. </p>
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<p>For reasons already given, they don’t belong in the infantry nor is there any need for them there. The current system has worked for centuries.</p>
<p>Women give birth for a reason. Its in case the male is not there, the child will if born have its mother, except in a grave situation. By nature, the mothers are to do the first part of nurturing, which is to feed. Then after the baby is born, the mother produces milk for the baby, again another reason why women are mothers, they are meant to raise children. Its what you were made to do. Sure you have a choice not to have children and then you can do whatever you want, but if you have kids, its your job to feed and ensure the development of the child. Yes JOB. I’m pretty sure all mammals are like this. </p>
<p>Now onto males. Males take the second portion of the word nurture which is to protect and provide for the child. We are stronger, and deal better under pressure, we die sooner probably due to it. But again this is out job. </p>
<p>Its that simple, women and men both have their place and they both cant do what the others do, they complement each other.</p>
<p>Why make it harder then it is. If a man wants to take you out to dinner, let him. Its a free meal. If he wants to open a door for you or pamper you, let him, your life is easier because of it. this pride **** is ridiculous.</p>
Way to twist my words, dude. I’m comparing your attitude, NOT the act itself. </p>
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I’m sure you would! I sure as heck won’t argue with that. You can blame the status quo, the media, our entertainment industry, most of our religions, etc, for that. <–THAT is what needs to change, and slowly but surely people will follow suit. At least, I think so.</p>
<p>How you run your own house is up to you AND your wife, but you need to stop telling everyone else what to do! My husband and I can decide to share these roles in whatever way we please (outside of giving birth and maybe breast feeding)</p>
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Again, how you run your life is certainly up to you. What happens when you leave your wife and she AUTOMATICALLY is granted custody of YOUR guises children and you’re only allowed to see your kid for like 48 hours/week max, and then she gets auto-access to half of EVERYTHING you own when she didn’t even pay for it considering that she didn’t even work . . .</p>
<p>Or, what happens when you’re wrongfully accused of being the father of a baby and you’re required to pay 18 years of child support for it, only to find out that it’s not yours AND you’re NOT allowed to get the money back?</p>
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<p>Have I been arguing on the basis of PRIDE at all throughout this? </p>
<p>NO. </p>
<p>I think these standards, INCLUDING the male-only draft, are UNFAIR TO MEN! At this point, it has nothing to do with pride in being a woman, m’kay?</p>
<p>Well if you really believe that, I’ll give it to you. But why not just go out and enjoy it? What’s the problem with being treated well?</p>
<p>If you think its unfair to men, that’s fine. I don’t. I think it is a privilege to be able to take a girl out and pay for her meal, because it shows that I am genuinely interested in her. Most of us don’t grumble about having to hold doors or be polite to women, we enjoy it. I’m sure there are some guys who wish it were different, but really it isn’t that much of a burden.</p>
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What I think is unfair is the fact that women aren’t expected to do the same thing every so often, just as men are. The acts themselves, I agree, are great!</p>
Alright; I’ll just rephrase it as “the primary invitee(s) is/are paid for”. Certainly that is how business meals work. Note, though, that if two people agree to go out on a date by mutual arrangement, then it’s up to them to split or skew the bill as they wish.</p>
<p>^but no one sex, race, religion, whatev, should expected to do it, and no one sex, race, religion, whatev should expect it based on the brainwashing by our media, entertainment industry, etc. :)</p>
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