Why should Palestinians accept Israel's Right to Exist?

<p>In the war of words, The Times is Israel’s ally
The paper consistently adopts Israel’s language, giving credence to an inaccurate, simplistic and dangerous cliche.
By Saree Makdisi, SAREE MAKDISI, a professor of English and comparative literature at UCLA, writes frequently about the Middle East.
March 11, 2007</p>

<p>'AS SOON AS certain topics are raised," George Orwell once wrote, “the concrete melts into the abstract and no one seems able to think of turns of speech that are not hackneyed: Prose consists less and less of words chosen for the sake of their meaning, and more and more of phrases tacked together like the sections of a prefabricated henhouse.” Such a combination of vagueness and sheer incompetence in language, Orwell warned, leads to political conformity.</p>

<p>No issue better illustrates Orwell’s point than coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the United States. Consider, for example, the editorial in The Times on Feb. 9 demanding that the Palestinians “recognize Israel” and its “right to exist.” This is a common enough sentiment ? even a cliche. Yet many observers (most recently the international lawyer John Whitbeck) have pointed out that this proposition, assiduously propagated by Israel’s advocates and uncritically reiterated by American politicians and journalists, is ? at best ? utterly nonsensical.</p>

<p>First, the formal diplomatic language of “recognition” is traditionally used by one state with respect to another state. It is literally meaningless for a non-state to “recognize” a state. Moreover, in diplomacy, such recognition is supposed to be mutual. In order to earn its own recognition, Israel would have to simultaneously recognize the state of Palestine. This it steadfastly refuses to do (and for some reason, there are no high-minded newspaper editorials demanding that it do so).</p>

<p>Second, which Israel, precisely, are the Palestinians being asked to “recognize?” Israel has stubbornly refused to declare its own borders. So, territorially speaking, “Israel” is an open-ended concept. Are the Palestinians to recognize the Israel that ends at the lines proposed by the 1947 U.N. Partition Plan? Or the one that extends to the 1949 Armistice Line (the de facto border that resulted from the 1948 war)? Or does Israel include the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which it has occupied in violation of international law for 40 years ? and which maps in its school textbooks show as part of “Israel”?</p>

<p>For that matter, why should the Palestinians recognize an Israel that refuses to accept international law, submit to U.N. resolutions or readmit the Palestinians wrongfully expelled from their homes in 1948 and barred from returning ever since?</p>

<p>If none of these questions are easy to answer, why are such demands being made of the Palestinians? And why is nothing demanded of Israel in turn?</p>

<p>Orwell was right. It is much easier to recycle meaningless phrases than to ask ? let alone to answer ? difficult questions. But recycling these empty phrases serves a purpose. Endlessly repeating the mantra that the Palestinians don’t recognize Israel helps paint Israel as an innocent victim, politely asking to be recognized but being rebuffed by its cruel enemies.</p>

<p>Actually, it asks even more. Israel wants the Palestinians, half of whom were driven from their homeland so that a Jewish state could be created in 1948, to recognize not merely that it exists (which is undeniable) but that it is “right” that it exists ? that it was right for them to have been dispossessed of their homes, their property and their livelihoods so that a Jewish state could be created on their land. The Palestinians are not the world’s first dispossessed people, but they are the first to be asked to legitimize what happened to them.</p>

<p>A just peace will require Israelis and Palestinians to reconcile and recognize each other’s rights. It will not require that Palestinians give their moral seal of approval to the catastrophe that befell them. Meaningless at best, cynical and manipulative at worst, such a demand may suit Israel’s purposes, but it does not serve The Times or its readers.</p>

<p>And yet The Times consistently adopts Israel’s language and, hence, its point of view. For example, a recent article on Israel’s Palestinian minority referred to that minority not as “Palestinian” but as generically “Arab,” Israel’s official term for a population whose full political and human rights it refuses to recognize. To fail to acknowledge the living Palestinian presence inside Israel (and its enduring continuity with the rest of the Palestinian people) is to elide the history at the heart of the conflict ? and to deny the legitimacy of Palestinian claims and rights.</p>

<p>This is exactly what Israel wants. Indeed, its demand that its “right to exist” be recognized reflects its own anxiety, not about its existence but about its failure to successfully eliminate the Palestinians’ presence inside their homeland ? a failure for which verbal recognition would serve merely a palliative and therapeutic function.</p>

<p>In uncritically adopting Israel’s own fraught terminology ? a form of verbal erasure designed to extend the physical destruction of Palestine ? The Times is taking sides.</p>

<p>If the paper wants its readers to understand the nature of this conflict, however, it should not go on acting as though only one side has a story to tell.</p>

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<p>“Why should Palestinians accept Israel’s Right to Exist?”</p>

<p>simple. You can’t change the past. Accept it and try to find a solution that is peaceful. 50 years of conflict has not solved anything and another 100 more years of violence ain’t going to change nothing.</p>

<p>If we are talking about the present, then the Palestinians have to acknowledge Israel’s right to exist rather than the converse because there is an Israel and there is no Palestine. You can’t recognize a nation that doesn’t exist yet. However, the majority of Israelis, as well as most of the Israeli leadership, do ultimately support a two state solution. </p>

<p>Once we stop playing semantic games, the issue isn’t one of Israel forcing a non-state to “recognize” it diplomatically, but a demand that a precondition for future negotiation is Palestinian recognition that there needs to be a compromise rather than a scenario in which Israel is destroyed. While many Palestinians recognize this, Hamas, now a leading government faction, doesn’t. Hence, negotiating with a Hamas government will get Israel nowhere, since Hamas doesn’t acknowledge Israel’s right to be in ANY of the land. If they would recognize that Israel existed, even according to 1948 boundaries, there would be some basis for compromise.</p>

<p>If we are talking about 1948, then as far as the UN of the time was concerned, they were creating both a Jewish state AND an Arab state: Israel and Jordan. Palestinian nationalism, as distinct from a broader Pan-Arabist movement, came later. In fact, before 1967, the West Bank and Gaza strip were in Jordanian hands. There was no Palestinian state established there, and no outcry for one. Additoinally, while some Palestinians were forced from their homes, others fled on the advice of Arab leaders, or in fear of a war started by the Arab nations to destroy Israel.</p>

<p>In 2000, Ehud Barak offered the Palestinians a deal that would have created a Palestinian state. I appreciate that it wasn’t a perfect plan, but the fact that there is no Palestine today is the result of Arafat’s intransigence, not Israel’s. Ultimately, it was Arafat who walked away from the negotiating table and orchestrated the intafada. Had he remained, there would probably have been a Palestinian state today.</p>

<p>“Is that why there has been 9 months of no attacks on Israeli soil and the Israelis haven’t made 1 compromise or ceded anything. Ironically, it was now under the Hamas government that Israelis have seen relative peace.”</p>

<p>There hasn’t been “9 months of no attacks on Israeli soil”. The last suicide bomb attack was on January 29 2007 in Eilat. The numbers certainly have gone down of late, although I would attribute this to the security fence, rather than any ‘generosity’ on the part of Hamas. And regardless of whether Israel has benefited from Hamas being in power or not (I would say not), the Palestinians sure as hell haven’t. </p>

<p>As for Israel not making any compromises, don’t you think that the withdrawal from Gaza was a compromise? Israel was not obliged to do it. </p>

<p>“Why should Palestine recognize Israel when Israel has not done likewise. That’s the point of the article.”</p>

<p>Because, as ICargirl said, there is currently nothing for Israel to recognise. There is no such place as ‘Palestine’ at the moment. </p>

<p>“The 2000 deal was a joke. And , show me a source that indicates the Intifada that was sparked by Arafat. It was a popular resistance, Arafat may have not stopped it, but saying that he started it was foolish.”</p>

<p>Barak offered Arafat around 97% of the land that was occupied by Israel in 1967, as well as control of East Jerusalem. In return Barak wanted all Palestinian terrorist infrastructure destroyed prior to the withdrawal. Arafat refused and didn’t make a counter-offer. Could you point me to the section of Barak’s offer that was ‘a joke’?</p>

<p>As for the intifada, it is usually dated from September 13 2000, when Arafat’s Fatah forces attacked Israeli civilians and military targets in violation of the Oslo Accords. Arafat himself may not have started it, but his organisation did.</p>

<p>From the Hamas charter:</p>

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<p>And yet your commentator states: “A just peace will require Israelis and Palestinians to reconcile and recognize each other’s rights.” The Hamas charter makes clear it has no interest in either.</p>

<p>“Apparently you just read the title and not the article.”</p>

<p>The rest of the reasoning in the article is bogus - any reasoning that does not accept current reality is stupid.</p>

<p>Current realities change by the second. :wink: (“Rights” and “Existences” don’t necessarily have anything to do with each other.)</p>

<p>“Israel wants the Palestinians, half of whom were driven from their homeland so that a Jewish state could be created in 1948, to recognize not merely that it exists (which is undeniable) but that it is “right” that it exists ? that it was right for them to have been dispossessed of their homes, their property and their livelihoods”</p>

<p>The author confuses two meanings of the word “right.” Saying that Israel HAS a right to exist is not the same as saying that it IS RIGHT that Israel exists. Saying that it has a right to exist reveals no value judgment about whether anything that happened in the forties was right or wrong.</p>

<p>To clarify the difference between the two meanings of the word “right,” I believe that the KKK HAS a right to march in their sheets and hoods. I do not believe that it IS right for them to march in their sheets and hoods. </p>

<p>Perhaps the author speaks English as a second language, but if this confusion was deliberate, it is a dishonest twisting of the opposition’s words.</p>

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With respect to the existence of Israel, the most significant potential change to current reality will be when it is obliterated by nukes or the (Islamic) Messiah comes. The philosophy of the current Palestinian political leadership and populace appears to be bide their time shooting at each other while waiting for this to occur.</p>

<p>The Palestinians are never going to get right of return. Since that is a basic premise of their peace agreement, there is a rather large stumbling block right there.</p>

<p>What happened in the 40’s isn’t really germane to the discussion. There were lots of “wrongs” with the creation of Israel. Fact is, the country is now there, and short of the nutjobs calling for her destruction, she isn’t going anywhere. </p>

<p>The Palestinians, despite their uprisings, have a much bleaker situation than they did before Intifada 1,w hen they worked freely in Israel, the economy was better, there was a hope of peace. There was no wall and few checkpoints before 2000. Might be time for their leadership to look at whether another 50 years of resistance is going to get them a state. I tend to doubt it.</p>

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<p>Hogwash. Your thread title had nothing to do with formal diplomatic recognition. You start a thread saying one thing and then criticize people for responding to it. Fifteen yard penalty and loss of down.</p>

<p>Israel continues to exist because of international support from the US and a handful of other countries, a superb military, and the inability of the Arab world to destroy it through military and paramilitary action. As long as the IDF continues to win battles, Israel will continue to exist regardless of the opinions of the “Arab street.” Geopolitical realities have little to do with “recognition of the right to exist.” Why does this seem so hard to understand? Israel will cease to exist when it loses its first war with the Moslem countries surrounding it. Until then, it exists. Israel has the same “right to exist” as any other nation, and it doesn’t matter what “Palestinians think.”</p>

<p>“Washdad last time I checked its mostly the U.S. that supports Israel.”</p>

<p>That is not true. For a long time I believed in a Palestinian home land. But you know what, Arafat and Hammas blew it.</p>

<p>“And if they are such nice people how come is that in the latest poll of people worldwide Israel has the LOWEST favorable opinions and HIGHEST unfavorable opinions in the world.”</p>

<p>What does that have to do with Israel’s right to exist? World politics is not a popularity contest. Are you honestly trying to argue that Israel’s existence should be contingent on opinion polls?</p>

<p>Israel exists. Get over it.</p>

<p>Or wait in poverty and misery for it to go away.</p>

<p>When we nuked japan, and we sidestep that by: oops! this’s become “reality” and part of “history,” so we must “get ove it”</p>

<p>Every time we’re reminded of “our” past with slavery, we circumvent that by a call to “get over it. It’s part of the PAST now”</p>

<p>Im sure the Iraqies are facing a similar “inevitable,” “divine,” “predestined” reality to which they must give in if they don’t want to be deemed “stupid”. A good way to cool down the resistance!</p>

<p>Not even 3000 Americans died on 9/11/01, why didn’t we say to ourselves: get over it?</p>

<p>if a bunch of brown-skinned, long-bearded camel jokies take over our white house, should that become a “reality” that we must “get over” and “get used to”??</p>

<p>Why the double standards? Why don’t we all admit that the strongest define the law, and, ultimately, only power rules??</p>

<p>We compete with other nations/ideologies over who rules the world, and as long as we have the means, we’ll continue to force others into submission.</p>

<p>don’t complicate the matter please.</p>

<p>^^^ Interesting that you’d equate the creation of state of Israel with a) nuking Japan and b) slavery. Typical obfuscation. A more accurate parallel would be Northern Ireland. </p>

<p>And you know what? Once the IRA realised that they were never going to get what they wanted through persistent bomb threats against British cities, they sat down at the negotiating table, made concessions and… the Troubles are largely over now.</p>

<p>There’s a lot of talk on here about the ‘rights’ of the Palestinians. Why is no one talking about the responsibilities that come with those rights? For example, attempts to build a stable and self-sufficient economy, so that the PA wouldn’t have to rely on the world’s charity. Attempts to set up an education system that would allow Palestinian children to compete academically with Israelis. Attempts to set up a health system that isn’t dependent on Israeli-trained doctors and nurses. </p>

<p>You can’t have rights without responsibilities, and so far the PA has shown no sign at all that it is willing and able to undertake the responsibility of actually running a viable state.</p>

<p>“^^^ Interesting that you’d equate the creation of state of Israel with a) nuking Japan and b) slavery. Typical obfuscation.”</p>

<p>Laylah, please allow me to correct your analysis of my post: What I wrote doesn’t imply equating the creation of Israel to anything at all. This is very clear and it shouldn’t be misunderstood.</p>

<p>Rather, I was signaling a particular type of widespread behavior --a paralogism often practiced when one or more of these issues are discussed, and a COMMON false approach to UNEQUAL matters. Therefore, I don’t agree that mine was an attempt to obfuscate.</p>

<p>In fact, i think your presentation of the matter IS the obfuscation here. You’re oversimplying a serious, gravely ideology-founded conflict and trying to dilute it to be viewed as a matter of nothing more than living conditions and infrastructure.</p>

<p>Furthermore, many of PA supporters wouldn’t accept your likening the PA-Israel conflict to to N.Ireland.</p>

<p>I’ll go back to what I previously stated: All power to those who possess it and are able to utilize it to serve their interest. Isreal IS our alley–we and she have more in common than we have with any of the third world states, and as long as we can support and defend Isreal AND our own interests, we’ll continue to do so. And although we’re not obliged to justify our actions since we’re the ‘bigger guy’, it would facilitate things for us (and our alleies) if we convince others that OUR principles are universal.</p>

<p>I’m glad I was born American! :)</p>

<p>America has always been a strong ally of Israeal. Ignoring Palestinian complaints. It was largely due to Americans after WWII that caused these two conflicting religions to basically hold hands and become one uniformed country under a Jewish government. Even now whatever we hear in the news is completely bias against the Palestinians. I am not saying that the massive suicide bombings and violence is not to say that the Palestinians are completely free of any crime but their home was stolen right from under them. From powerful countries that feel they have a right to rule other people. Or draw imaginary lines and actually believe that people will be alright.</p>

<p>Sage, read a little history.</p>