Why top students are being rejected by in-state schools

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<p><a href=“Why Top Students Are Being Rejected by In-State Schools”>Why Top Students Are Being Rejected by In-State Schools;

<p>Easy detective work. Follow the money trail.</p>

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<p>No surprise. That’s been the way at UVA for years.</p>

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<p>Sadly, it may also be part necessity as many states have slashed budgets.</p>

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<p>So what division or major did he apply to?</p>

<p><a href=“Berkeley Frosh Class of 2018 decision summary - #10 by ucbalumnus - University of California - Berkeley - College Confidential Forums”>Berkeley Frosh Class of 2018 decision summary - #10 by ucbalumnus - University of California - Berkeley - College Confidential Forums; hints that it was much harder to get into some divisions or majors than others.</p>

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<p>Believe state law dictates that UNC accept only a small percentage of out-of-state applicants into its freshman class. Most OOS freshman are the ‘cream of the crop’ (or star athletes!). NC residents/law-makers believe their local tax dollars should be utilized by in-state students. This restriction doesn’t apply to transfer students…</p>

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<p>If State’s are not providing at least 51% of the funding I see no problem with college trustees managing their income in this way. Once a State provides a majority of the funding they can dictate the percentage of out of state students.</p>

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<p>I see it as the state screwed up and the students and families for in state suffer.</p>

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<p>Yes, to the above about UNC. Each NC county has a mandatory quota to be accepted. I barely made it. LOL. Thanks to a couple of people ahead of me who chose to go elsewhere and because of my major.</p>

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<p>It seems that it’s more profitable to accept OOS students so the school in state students are at a disadvantage. That can’t be good for a state that wants to have an skilled and educated population to attract big business and industry. Only a fraction of OOS students will remain in state meanwhile, successive generations of college degree seeking in state students will leave for other states and only a percentage of them will return.</p>

<p>If this goes on for a couple generations, we will see a shift like we have today. The republican north will be come the republican south and the democrat sought becomes the democrat north. The Bible Belt will move one way and secularism another. None of this is bad per se but interesting to see how this all plays out, of course, about a hundred other forces are at work also so one can never really know. It’s happened before though. Anyone remember when the south was staunchly democratic and the northeast was staunchly republican - the Civil War was cut along those lines as well as the Civil Rights movement.</p>

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<p>Yup, the requirement and quota are different in each state. Some state’s mission is to bring in new students, which helps to increase their population, $$$, and rankings, while other states keep it very restrictive. I’m sure many folks here can find lots of negatives about this practice, but it does improve the state’s diversity.</p>

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<p>For a state like California there is already diversity, I don’t know how else you can improve it. </p>

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<p>" Only a fraction of OOS students will remain in state " - Well, in CO (a beautiful state), a lot of those OOS students try to find a way to stay. CU accepts a lot of OOS students, at hefty tuition rate. But they seem to have room for CO top students too. </p>

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For a state like California there is already diversity, I don’t know how else you can improve it.</p>

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<p>The state may have diversity, but the UCs don’t seem to reflect the ethnic balance of the state. </p>

<p>Does UVA weight GPA more than test scores? Many state schools do so that they aren’t populated with mostly only upper-middle class and upper class kids. </p>

<p>I have often wondered if the UC’s are “need-aware” for OOS kids. I would think that they would want to either accept OOS students who are full or near-full pay, and maybe accept a few that need some aid, but have amazingly desirable stats or talent.</p>

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<p>I’m not talking about the demographics as much as the thinking of states when I speak about a shift. I’m also not talking about politics although that gives the simplest examples. California used to be republican, now it’s solidly democrat. Texas used to be democrat, now it’s pretty solidly republican. However, economics are driving people from high unemployment and high tax states to states like Texas which may liberalize the politics there and make them more conservative elsewhere. In-states schools play a role in this because some states may see a brain-drain while others see a brain-boost which may further influence the economics of a state one way or the other.</p>

<p>I tend to see things far down the road so I think this is interesting because settling down in one place now means that where you are won’t be what is down the road. Is it better to be where the shift is heading to or coming from and can that be known now to any degree?</p>

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<p>Post #12. I doubt that OOS students will bring more diversity that reflects the racial make up of California. If anything it will make it worse.</p>

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<p>The University of Michigan currently receives only 4% of it’s funding from the state of Michigan, and there is talk that the U is considering going private. OOS admission has been increasing steadily which we hope will benefit ChoatieKid this year. He is an OOS applicant for all of his college choices but one, so we’ve watched those numbers closely. Though our fingers hurt from being crossed so tightly, we agree that universities that receive state funding have an obligation to residents first and CK’s applications have to take a back seat. Can’t wait for this to be over!</p>

<p>(He has already been accepted to one of our state universities.)</p>

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<p>What conditions should 4% allow the State of Michigan to set?</p>

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<p>@tom1944: Good question for which I don’t have an answer.</p>

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<p>Actually, if you exclude the health system from budget, it’s 9%. Still a pretty small slice of he money.
See pg 9: <a href=“http://www.finance.umich.edu/reports/2013/pdf/UM_Financial_Report_2013-lowres.pdf”>http://www.finance.umich.edu/reports/2013/pdf/UM_Financial_Report_2013-lowres.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>UW-Madison would like to separate from the state system at least partially so they could take more OOS students and otherwise have more control over their finances. Not sure if it will ever happen. </p>

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<p>When looking at U-M’s budget, it’s best to look at “Where the money comes from and where does it go” with a focus on the General Fund (note that state support can also fall into the other 3 funds, but 100% of tuition is in the General Fund). If U-M want’s to increase it’s general fund (which pays for teaching, services and administrative support), it has to increase tuition. You would have to increase tuition by 23% to replace state funding in the General Fund.</p>

<p><a href=“http://vpcomm.umich.edu/budget/fundingsnapshot/2.html”>General Fund Budget Snapshot | U-M Public Affairs;

<p>Doing a back-of-the-envelope calculation, U-M’s in-state tuition would need to go from $13K to $16+K a year, very similar to PSU’s rate. It’s easy to underestimate how much state support is reducing tuition. </p>