Why we are screwed

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<p><a href=“http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special25/articles/0531goldwater2.html[/url]”>http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special25/articles/0531goldwater2.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Unfortunately I don’t think the religious right is gone yet. The kooks are still around.</p>

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<p>The religious right has shown quite a propensity to self-destruct, so maybe we shouldn’t worry so much.</p>

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<p>Oh no, they haven’t self-destructed. The bastards are still alive and kicking.</p>

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<p>Personally, I have a hard time thinking well of a man who was against the Civil Right Act of 1964.</p>

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<p>"* In 1981, Goldwater assailed the founder of the Moral Majority, the Rev. Jerry Falwell. Responding to Falwell’s statement that all good Christians should be concerned about the Supreme Court nomination of Arizonan Sandra Day O’Connor, he said, ‘‘I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass.’’</p>

<p>One upon a time, McCain agreed with him. Then…flipflop.</p>

<p>Stay the course.</p>

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<p>Goldwater disagreed with the act not out of racism but out fear it would lead to other and those times unnecessary and unfair controls of businesses,</p>

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<p>Evidently, he is a bigot.</p>

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What’s your point?</p>

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<p>golani:</p>

<p>Ah. State’s rights and all that. See, I was living in the South at the time. Gosh, it’s amazing how there wasn’t a single racist there. Everyone was just against the CRA of '64 on principle. You know the old saying:</p>

<p>“I don’t have nothin’ ginst the ■■■■■■■. I think everyone oughta own one.”</p>

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<p>Not all conservatives are aligned with the religious right. I believe that most of them aren’t. Many republicans find the religious extremists just as ridiculous as many liberals find them.</p>

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<p>True UC, but then Republicans need to publicly decry the religious rights’ racismm homophobia and bigotry.</p>

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<p>So tarhunt, you think Goldwater was a racist. Even though there is no indication that he was one, other than that. If you remember correctly 90 precent of Repubs voted for the act and it was a much smaller precentage, I think 60, of dems that voted for it. If you can present some kind of quote or statement or writng by Goldwater to the contrary, I will concede I am wrong.</p>

<p>“religious rights’ racismm homophobia and bigotry.” What racism, homophobia, and bigotry-why do you make such blanket accusations. I remember when I discussed the huge element of extremism in Islam, you labeled me a bigot.</p>

<p>Evangelicals voted 2/3 in this election in favor of Dems. I guess the democrats, according to Allmusic, have more public decrying to do than republicans</p>

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<p>Homophobia: how many gay marriage initiatives have been put in red states and overwhelmingly passed</p>

<p>Racism: Well, its religion. Religion doesn’t exactly tell you to keep an open mind.
Where did 2/3 of evangelists of evangelists for Dems, r u crazy. I think you got it the other way.</p>

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<p>Actually, to be religious you have to be very open minded. Imagine, you are believing in such an abstract idea as god without any hard proof of his existance</p>

<p>Homophobia: Perhaps I am confused, but beign against same sex marriage is not homophobia. No one is trying to stop gay people from having marriages. People are merely trying to stop two people of the same sex from marrying. There is a very subtle distinction.</p>

<p>Misterflyer, you are right. 1/3 of evangelicals voted for dems-still a decent amount if evangelicals are what people say they are.</p>

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<p>Re: views on marriage equality – It’s not religion per se.</p>

<p>There are religions that perform same sex marriages. There are religions where it is fine for clergy to be openly gay. There are religions which don’t and where clergy can’t be.</p>

<p>We now have a number of countries where there are equal marriage rights. South Africa is the most recent. The U.S., at least most of the states, will get there eventually. If you don’t believe me regarding the U.S., take a look at any poll that breaks down opinions by age groups. Younger folks are overwhelmingly supportive of equal marriage and support decreases as you move toward older and older age groups. A state gay marriage ban failed this year in Arizona with 61% of young voters voting against it. </p>

<p>And, yes, Goldwater was against discrimination against gays and lesbians. This is a libertarian position, a view that used to be a major part of the Republican party.</p>

<p>Evangelicals did not vote 2/3 Democrat. See <a href=“http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/US/H/00/epolls.0.html[/url]”>http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/US/H/00/epolls.0.html&lt;/a&gt; for exit polls for the country (or via the pull down menu for states).</p>

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I think there are plenty of Democrats (likely most) who wouldn’t be happy to be categorized as atheists and not all Republicans are religious.</p>

<p>There’s a tendency for the extreme views on both ends to be used as examples of the norm of that side by the other side. The reality is that the more typical members of either side aren’t out on the ends of the see-saw and have more complex views than the other side would care to realize.</p>

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<p>ucsc<em>ucla</em>dad makes a good point.</p>

<p>And actually there are plenty of religions that call upon people to use their God-given minds to question.</p>

<p>The stereotype that religion is correlated with a lack of thinking reveals a lack of information about the full spectrum of religious views. Maybe a course on world religions or a few visits to a range of churches, synagogues, mosques would be the ticket to learning about religion.</p>

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<p>Although I would not have voted for Barry Goldwater in 1964 had I been able, later in life he was a delight. I could never predict where he would fall on any particular issue. There is no indication that he was racist and I doubt that anyone can produce a quote that would prove otherwise.</p>

<p>No, Barry was a very thoughtful and fairminded individual who was not afraid to speak his mind later in life regardless of who he would upset. He was totally unfettered by political dogma of any party.</p>

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<p>Perhaps germane to this discussion is Andrew Sullivan’s book, “The Conservative Soul”. Has anyone read it? I haven’t yet, but thought of this thread when I read the publisher’s blurb:

<a href=“http://■■■■■■■.com/y3cxxo[/url]”>http://■■■■■■■.com/y3cxxo&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Spare us your diatrabes about nothing. Lee Atwater, Joseph Mengele, these have nothing to do with Barry Goldwater. The fact is you want Goldwater to be a racist. You want him to be one even though he is not. The fact that you can’t prove it, shows things the way they are no?</p>

<p>“As for 2/3 of evangelicals voting for Democrats, that’s just a lie.” - That was actually a mistake I made, not a lie. I corrected myself already and am doing so again, but only in the precense of close-minded open-minded-liberals can someone call a Jew a Kapo and get away with it.</p>