<p>The great thing about finding something offensive or rude or crude is that I don’t have to watch it or read it or comment on it. The name of the thread clearly states what the content will be. No one is forced to read it or comment on it.</p>
<p>The Clinton have brought their marriage, and (in my opinion sadly) their daughter in to the public eye. They have put her in a position to be questioned about the Monica Lewinsky scandal (as has happened on 4 occasions that I am aware of at college campuses.) All in the name of getting the vote and pursuing their ambitions. Nothing to them seems sacred or private.</p>
<p>Public persons put themselves out to be scrutinized.</p>
<p>What I don’t understand is why people think the Clintons’ marriage is on the rocks. I’ll bet that most of us know couples that have stayed together with similar or even worse problems, and seemingly perfect couples that broke up. There’s just no accounting for what people do with respect to these kinds of relationships.</p>
<p>Just when we thought it couldn’t get worse… :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Now this is VERY offensive. Bill Clinton just doesn’t know when to stop. He just can’t face the fact that “they” may lose the nomination. He will stand by his (wo)man to the bitter end no matter what! At least until the bitter end of this election…</p>
<p>From CNN:</p>
<p>“”(CNN) — On the eve of Tuesday’s critical Pennsylvania primary, former President Bill Clinton accused Barack Obama’s campaign of playing the race card against him.</p>
<p>After the phone interview with Philadelphia’s WHYY Monday night, a stray comment of his on the issue was also recorded before he hung up: “I don’t think I should take any s*** from anybody on that, do you?”</p>
<p>The former president had been asked whether his remarks comparing Obama’s strong showing in South Carolina to that of Jesse Jackson in 1988 had been a mistake given their impact on his wife Hillary Clinton’s campaign. “No, I think that they played the race card on me,” said Clinton, “and we now know from memos from the campaign and everything that they planned to do it all along.”"</p>
<p>First of all these are public figures and pretty much anything they do is “fair game” as the law defines it. Also, it is fascinating to me that people are offended at the discussion of the Clinton’s marriage, which bill has continuously brought into public scrutiny, less we forget what this man did in THE WHITE HOUSE (literally and figuratively) with one of his interns.</p>
<p>It is all the more amazing that this topic should be off limits when people think nothing of trashing Obama for his race and religion. Now THAT is disgusting.</p>
<p>Why is there a discussion on Bill and Hillary’s marriage? I don’t think is anyone’s business to speculate why they are still together. Isn’t marriage for better or for worse?</p>
<p>Years ago, not sensing Hillary’s presidential ambitions, I predicted that The Clintons would divorce and that it would be quite interesting to see how the presidential perks were divided up in divorce court. I truly think they made a “deal.” </p>
<p>I’m growing to once again really dislike Hillary; she was responsible for the Bush presidency and she may well be responsible for the McCain presidency.</p>
<p>I don’t remember Bill saying the government created AIDS to get rid of minorities. If your spiritual adviser entertain these thoughts then I think we should scrutinize your relationship. </p>
<p>How was Hillary responsible for Bush presidency? I though the Supreme Court decided that presidency. What could she have done to change the results?</p>
<p>When Bill Clinton was elected president, Ann Richards was a very popular first term governor who was pretty much assured a second term. Due in great part to Hillary’s health care plan, there was a great nationwide Republican sweep, which enabled a ball club owner named Geoge Bush to win the Texas governor’s race, paving the way for his presidential campaign. I always imagine that up on the platform on inauguration day, the person that Al Gore wanted to strangle was not George Bush, but Hillary Clinton.</p>
<p>And I don’t remember Reverend Wright cheating on his spouse. I can listen to all kinds of things I disagree with, but I don’t stay married to a man I don’t respect and doesn’t value a marriage. Luckily we get to choose.</p>
<p>Are you saying that Hillary trying to bring health care coverage to everyone was a bad thing?</p>
<p>I don’t see why the two are connected. </p>
<p>You have to remember that Al Gore performed terribly in the debates. Bush campaigned on hope and change, and bringing people together to solve the problems facing the country. A lot of people bought into this farce. I guess the change that Bush was proposing was lost in translation, the electorate never expected this change.</p>
<p>To isokkermom I read your post about what Bill Clinton said on an NPR radio when he thought the microphone was turned off. Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC just reported that he denied it. She said Bill was great on the campaign trial last night then did this earlier today. </p>
<p>With him so intricately woven into this campaign:</p>
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<li> How can they assert a right to privacy similar to those not in public life? and</li>
<li> Why doesn’t she just fire him?</li>
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<p>It seems like he is causing her more harm than good. It also seems like his performance is deteriorating.</p>
<p>Holy cow, I can’t believe you’re laying all that at Hillary’s feet! That’s kind of like saying, “and you know, if Eve hadn’t taken that bite out of the apple…”</p>
<p>Actually, it seems like his performance is predicated upon pure desperation. He’s seeing his shot at a return to the oval office going down the tubes. More wild swinging air punches will follow this one, you can be sure.</p>
<p>“I always imagine that up on the platform on inauguration day, the person that Al Gore wanted to strangle was not George Bush, but Hillary Clinton.”</p>
<p>No, it should have been Bill that Gore blamed. Without Monicagate, Gore would have easily defeated W. (Although I have to wonder whether the Republicans would even have run W if Bill’s scandals had not hurt Gore so badly.)</p>
<p>Hunt I think Hillary contributed to “Monicagate”. I remember hearing and seeing her on the Today show saying that this talk of he husband’s illicit relationship with a White House Intern was solely the fabrication of ‘a vast right wing conspiracy’. Having known that her husband had a propensity toward this behavior (Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones etc) she would have been better off saying something similar to, “As a public figure these rumors can be unsubstantiated and are vicious. I will do everything to prove that these rumors are not true.” Then upon her husband’s eventually ceasing to deny that he did ‘have sexual relations with that woman…Ms Lewinsky’ making a statement as to how difficult it was for her family and please give them time to deal with it. Instead, her husband went on denying what would be the inevitable truth. Lying to the public. Drawing out the whole matter. If he had told the truth, I would not have had to explain to my then young son - who liked to read the NY Times - what semen was and what oral sex was - as the infamous blue dress was being tested. </p>
<p>I give our former Gov Spitzer some credit in fessing up right away and then leaving. I am no fan of Spitzer, but I give him credit for his swift resignation) and I remember his statement of “To whom much is given, much is expected.”</p>
<p>Lots of spouses have been duped, and he was being attacked from every angle politically already, so why should she not believe whatever he told her…I would have. She sure is a good example of “damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t.”</p>
<p>'Lots of spouses have been duped, and he was being attacked from every angle politically already, so why should she not believe whatever he told her…I would have. She sure is a good example of “damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t.” '</p>
<p>Lorelei I am confused. You posted yesterday (?) that you found this thread offensive and - I am trying to recall - that no one should comment on another’s marriage. Why then are you commenting on their marriage? Or am I missing something here?</p>
<p>Re Hillary’s belief in Bill’s lies re Monica, my opinion is that she portrays herself to be a savvy, educated, not a Tammy Wynette stand-by-your-man type of woman, yet doesn’t believe that behavior occurred that her husband has exhibited in the past? Can she see the forest from the trees? </p>
<p>Additionally, her commenting on his behavior was not necessary. A ‘no comment’ would suffice. Analogous to Bills’ comments on Hillary’s Bosnia fantasy re sniper fire, “It was 11 pm. she was exhausted”, etc etc. When they speak for each other, they bring their marriage into the public realm. To my knowledge, Bill holds no formal position in her campaign. Therefore, he is speaking as her husband.</p>
<p>I am not commenting on their marriage, because I know nothing about it. If she believes and/or accepts what he has told her, that is her business, not mine. I am bothered that any of us think we can judge what the marriage is and what it is not. The original posts on this thread were indictments of a relationship and the motives of the partners. I can only assume that she loves him and appreciates the good things enough to endure the rest, and I assume that in the same way that I would about the marriage of anyone I know.</p>