<p>Lol, whenever DH and I are talking about someone who we are sure is lying about something we say “I did NOT have sex with that woman” and wag our finger. Come on.</p>
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<p>Because a marriage is a much more sacred and private thing than relationships with business partners, friends, and even pastors. It’s so crass to talk about Hillary’s marriage like this. Yes, her husband cheated on her and she stayed with him. That was a personal decision, no doubt a very difficult one, and it should be respected whether you agree with it or not. And I agree 100% with lorelei’s post; she put it more eloquently than I ever could.</p>
<p>Bill’s dalliance with Monica was so mind-numbingly stupid and self-destructive that I guess I can see how Hillary might have believed that he didn’t do it. I still have trouble believing that Spitzer did what he obviously did do.</p>
<p>All I can say is that I’ve met them in an intimate (no, no three way, not intimate in that sense, just not a crowd) and they register as devoted to one another and much really people than you could ever tell from the media.</p>
<p>Sure, they could be the greatest actors in the world, no doubt. But I trust my in person impressions more than what filters through the media.</p>
<p>How can we know anything through the selective presentation the media provides? We are choosing among manipulated images filtered through journalists and newspaper publishers.</p>
<p>Gee, they got the public to believe that FDR could walk!</p>
<p>And that JFK was robust and healthy.</p>
<p>Hunt I agree with you that:
Bill’s dalliance with Monica was so mind-numbingly stupid and self-destructive that I guess I can see how Hillary might have believed that he didn’t do it. </p>
<p>I would agree with you except that his dalliance with Paula Jones and Gennifer Flowers were also mind-numbingly… </p>
<p>Some research into Bill Clinton’s history helps explain his compulsive behavior. Compulsive behavior doesn’t need to have a ground in reality. i.e. the door doesn’t need to be checked numerous times, hands don’t have to be washed hundreds of times in a day. If you read about his mother, Virginia Kelley, and her history (she is now deceased having passed away while he was President) and therefore his experience growing up, it helps explain how he sees and relates to females. They don’t have to be pretty, or young, or thin.</p>
<p>And why is his behavior my business? Because he exhibited this behavior in Washington DC with an intern while President of the US. When my son was reading the NY Times, I would have to explain certain words that I preferred would arise many years later.</p>
<p>Before I am accused of being an amateur analyst, I hold a license and have the education to be familiar with and treat addictions, compulsions etc. It is a very tough thing to break oneself of. I read these boards about kids spending a lot of time on video games and I think, ut oh, the compulsion of the 90’s and 00’s.</p>
<p>Why was it our business? Because a man that would cheat, lie and deceive their spouse would have no problem doing it to anybody else. And a woman that would stay married to such a man for political gain does not exhibit the characteristics I would want in a President. And I am entitled to my opinion. Same as those of you who believe that the Clinton marriage is none of our business.</p>
<p>“And a woman that would stay married to such a man for political gain does not exhibit the characteristics I would want in a President.”</p>
<p>But see, you’re assuming something that is not in evidence, that she stays with him “for political gain.” As I noted in another thread, it’s interesting how much the conventional wisdom has apparently changed: I can remember when women were praised for staying with husbands who did things like this, rather than divorcing them.</p>
<p>It was stupid then, and it’s stupid now. Have some self respect.</p>
<p>“But see, you’re assuming something that is not in evidence, that she stays with him “for political gain.” As I noted in another thread, it’s interesting how much the conventional wisdom has apparently changed: I can remember when women were praised for staying with husbands who did things like this, rather than divorcing them.”</p>
<p>I don’t like the fact that the Senate seat from my state was her consolation prize.</p>
<p>Zooser me too I voted for Rick Lazio and I am a Democrat so Billary wouldn’t move into our state. She just used us as a stepping stone.</p>
<p>I understand the argument that the actions of sitting presidents are our ‘business’. I guess I just wonder why people care whether or not they will stay married. Who really cares? And, for the record, even if her senatorial seat was used ‘as a stepping stone’, she’s been a good senator.</p>
<p>Always - please tell me what she has done that makes her a good senator in your opinion.</p>
<p>I’ll bite on that one, momofnewP, if I may. I’m the farthest thing from a Hillary supporter, but I think her constituent service is impeccable. I’m an activist in my little corner of the world, and have found her staff spectacularly involved and approachable. She is, of course, better than the nepostic husband of a mass murderer who is our senior senator.</p>
<p>zooser what has she done?</p>
<p>momofnewp, I have many friends in various capacities who have had close dealings with Hillary and her staff, both in Manhattan and in Western NY, on various and assorted issues. These are individuals who have been in these positions for many years and who have had the opportunity to interact with different levels of government. Most do not have a political filter through which they do their job. They have all, every last one, found Hillary and her various staffmembers to be very effective advocates and responders, in addition to being the most efficient group of political staffers they have ever had the pleasure to work with, including Hillary.</p>
<p>I’m happy to see Zoosermom post about her experience, too, as I know she has mentioned it before, and I appreciate her honest input on this subject.</p>
<p>“zooser what has she done?”
Senator Schumer’s wife, for those who don’t know, is the spectacularly inept Iris Weinshall, our city commissioner of transportation. She was warned regularly and clearly about serious problems with the operation of the Staten Island ferry. She willfully ignored those warnings and as a direct result of her incompetence and inattention, 11 people died, a score more were maimed, and the City has had to pay hundreds of millions of dollars. And she was allowed to keep her job for years. I happen to know her personally and I can say with absolute certainty that Ms. Weinshall had/kept her job only because of her husband.</p>
<p>Her staff is professional and responsive, doing their job well.
What has she accomplished in office?</p>
<p>Hillary’s committee work and voting record are easily found if you’re truly interested. Is there something that she’s done that you’re not happy with, or something she hasn’t that you believe she should have? She won her second term by a landslide so it would appear that a large majority of NY-ers are very happy with what she’s accomplished.</p>
<p>I have looked at her voting record. I’m a New Yorker so I follow her and other politicians closely. I just don’t see anything she has accomplished. You commented earlier that you think she’s been a good senator. I wondered what she did that caused you to have that opinion.</p>