Yes, but EV owners posting that they just love their EV’s is not data either. It’s an opinion on the internet, just like Pyle’s opinion.
“Sporty EV”? What’s that? OK, maybe the 2025 Ferrari EV checking in at $500,000. 
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higher end cars cost more to maintain like the taycan
And that doesn’t me surprise at all.
I don’t want to jinx it but my 6 yr old Tesla has been remarkably reliable. The only issues I had were covered under warranty. That said, Musk has decimated the sc staff and there weren’t enough to begin with. And parts are hard to get. So I really hope mine stays essentially worry free.
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Well, I’ve owned Dodge, Pontiac, Chevrolet, Ford, Nissan, Subaru and Jeep vehicles. I’ve had the same experience as @sushiritto
With proper routine maintenance, mostly fluid changes, modern ICE vehicles have very little engine or transmission issues.
As you can see from my OP to this thread…and another I started after…my 2012 Volvo had a new engine dropped into it at 63,000 or so…and then that engine had oil consumption issues and Volvo was going to drop a new engine into it at 120,000 miles or so…again. And we had regular maintenance and got our oil done at half the recommended intervals…the whole time we owned it.
So…problems can happen with any car. Not predictable.
But back to the thread topic…
We decided not to get an EV this time. When DH replaces his car, it will likely be an EV or hybrid.
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ppl concerned about maintenance tend to overlook the daily expenses. environmental issues apply.
"Another popular model to consider when shopping for a green and budget-friendly car is a plug-in hybrid. These vehicles operate partly on gasoline and partly on electricity from the grid. A plug-in hybrid with an all-electric range of 50 miles could enable you to drive mainly on electricity.
"Bottom line: You can bank on saving across the life of your electric vehicle. That’s not too shabby, considering you’ll also be [sparing the climate]
(https://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/files/2022-09/driving-cleaner-report.pdf)
"thousands of pounds of carbon pollution over the car’s lifetime, along with other pollutants that create smog, lower local air quality, and cause harm to public health. And of course, carbon pollution carries a price tag of its own (a recent U.S. Environmental Protection Agency analysis pegs the social cost of greenhouse gases at [$190 per ton]
(EPA Finds Higher Benefits from Curbing Climate Change)),
“so when we take measures to rein in emissions, there are concrete savings that go well beyond our own pocketbooks too.”
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RECALL ALERT: Tesla is recalling more than 27,000 Cybertrucks because the rearview camera image may not activate immediately after shifting into reverse. This marks the fifth recall for the vehicle since it went on sale late last year. In June, there was a recall to fix problems with trim pieces that can come loose and front windshield wipers that can fail. Two months before that, some Cybertrucks were recalled because the accelerator pedal could stick.
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I went for it, and got a new Kia EV6 on a 24 month lease. The rebates being offered were very compelling, so if I end up purchasing the car at the end of the lease, my total payments (monthly payments + residual value paid) will end up being 73.5% of the current MSRP. I also ended up selling my PHEV thru Carvana which was super easy, and they even came and picked up the car from my house last night and handed me a check. So simple and straightforward!
Every dealership I spoke with recommended leasing EVs instead of purchasing due to the speed of technological advances, and that there could be big differences in two years; I could see the reasoning behind that.
For now, we are slow charging during off-peak hours at home, and the car came with 1000 kW of charging from Electrify America so that will come in handy for longer distances. We did drive into the mountains this last weekend, and it was a fun experience, and even found free charging stations to park at while we ate.
On the down side, insurance is much more, like double what I was paying on my 2019 Niro PHEV. Might be because it’s new? on lease? more expensive than the Niro? I’m sure the registration will be a lot higher too.
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We had a 2025 Camry hybrid as a rental car this weekend. It was really a great car. Something to consider!
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Toyota is basically mainstreaming hybrid in its ICEVs. For example, the Sienna minivan now only comes as a 35mpg hybrid.
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I think the Camry now only comes in a hybrid…and can also be all wheel drive. Definitely something for us to consider in snow country.
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I rented an EV and had poor experiences trying to charge it. Flew into Burbank to visit family in Lancsater CA. In preparation, I reserved a rental car. At the time I searched, by chance, an EV was cheaper than any of the ICE vehicles, even the economy and compacts. The vehicle was described as equivalent to a Chevy Bolt. At the airport the car was upgraded to a Kia EV6 for the previously agreed cost. Took it up to Lancaster (higher in elevation). The vehicle used more than 100 miles to travel 60+. Later found that we should have selected eco and not standard driving mode. But overall the car drove and handled well. I was impressed.
The problems came with charging the car. We encountered : 1. Couldn’t locate a charger identified by apps. 2. Declined our payment cards (maybe broken?). 3. Employees only 4. Occupied 5. Broken. 6. Found chargers at car dealers. They were more or less agreeable to our using their charger. Found out it would take 13 hours to charge to 100%. 7. Found bank of chargers at public library. Charged there for a few hours, but didn’t want to leave overnight. 8. Next morning, found charger at shopping center. Started charging, and left to go with family. Half hour and hour later, the charger app reported charging with 0 KWH delivered. Called support, could not help because I didn’t have an account. Returned, other chargers in that bank were broken. Saw a Tesla bank of chargers, but I didn’t know if I could charge there. 9. Found charger at school close to where I was staying. Able to charge after the Friday night football game, left and reached 100% at 4 am. 10. Couple days later, tried charging at the same HS. This time, charger just quit after 30 or 40 minutes of charging, when signing in with the app, and when just swiping a credit card. Called report problem. 11. Next day, tried bank of chargers in a medical center parking lot. All seemed to be broken. 12. Went back to the school (saw that it was in use during the day). Able to charge to about 80%, enough to return to the car rental place.
The experience trying to charge the car was extremely frustrating (admittedly I am an EV novice). And one of the apps I used was a subscription with a 7 day free trial. I tried to cancel the app at 6 days, but I still got charged. Now I have to go through a dispute process.
I will only consider an EV if I can install a level 2 charger at my home and I want to spend the time to identify chargers on long trips. Charging anywhere else is a hit or miss process. A hybrid is still a possibility.
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A rental car in an unfamiliar location is probably the worst case EV use case, especially if it does not have access to Tesla Superchargers and/or the driver is an EV novice.
On the other hand, an EV at home with level 2 charging at home is more convenient than an ICEV, since refueling is just plugging in at home rather than going to the filling station.
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A head to head comparison of F150 Lightning and Cyberdumpster. Ford wins. 
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Interesting article I just tripped across - btw, I have 2 hybrids and 1 ICE - am pondering a new PIHV next…but, this surprised me (the article’s a little over a year old).
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the key to ev driving is understanding and resolving range anxiety. installing a level 2 charger at a home with solar panels is the best of both worlds.
forget about jumping in an ev for a joy ride ever again. familiarize yourself with the different charging stations. in cali, chargepoint has been the most dependable. gm now has access to superchargers so that’s a major selling point.
fyi rented a model 3 in maui over the summer to do the road to hana. the drive was great starting at 7am but the island did not have a single supercharger so wasted time was spent charging.
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According to How Many Miles Around Maui? - Hawaii Star , there is not that much road mileage on Maui, and speeds are not that fast, so you should be able to drive around much of the island on about half of the Model 3 battery capacity.
Or was it a several day visit with a lot of driving each day and no overnight charging at your hotel?
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If anyone is in the market for a Cybertruck, then there are rows and rows of them at the Tesla Gilroy location.
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Are they rusting yet?