Will you buy an electric or hybrid car next?

Mr. is shopping for a car to replace the X as we speak. It will be a Lexus or a Mach E. I want to run the dang thing into the ground and leave it. We shall see who wins. :laughing:

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There are a lot of Toyota’s on that list. We have two Toyota’s on that list, both with over 150,000 miles. Just babies as far I see them.

Buy the Lexus! They’ll hold their value best. We’ve had several people offer to buy our old Toyota Highlander Hybrid, but we’re keeping it.

I like the look of the Mach E, but those retro 1967-1968 Mustang taillights drive me crazy. And not in a good way.

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We’ve been a Toyota family for 32 years and counting… most recently , helped little kid buy a RAV4 hybrid a year ago. So :crossed_fingers::crossed_fingers:

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Ditto. My range is still over 300 miles and the car is over 6 1/2 yrs old. But am thinking of getting an anti musk Tesla club bumper sticker

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The bumper sticker doesn’t matter. Those vehicles carry a very negative connotation now. It’s seen as a demonstration of support. People are going so far as to rebadge their Teslas with other car brands.

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Here’s a local story about Tesla disdain.

That’s a sort of an inside Tesla owners amusement. You’d need to be on Tesla owners forums to appreciate it. No one really thinks that’s gonna hide the fact that it’s a Tesla.

So far we are liking our Lexus NX 350h. But it’s such a step up from my 2006 Odyssey that perhaps any car would seem great. My first backup camera - yay. Better yet is the “top view” for parking aid. I think it would be too small for many crossover buyers, but I really like how much better it fits in the garage.

Not sure whether to believe the dash computer, but it shows average 40.4mpg average after 330 miles (some in town where mpg shines, but mostly highways and mountain roads). That’s not much more than the 34ish we get on highway with our previous road trip car (Audi A6), but lots better than the minivan 20mpg. The hybrid extra cost probably can’t be justified for gas savings alone (at current prices), but I do like the idea of using less gas and having fewer emissions.

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The whole idea of a hybrid drive in some cars is to add some extra power. See hybrid Tundra. :slight_smile:

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Just bought a rav4 phev, happy to answer questions. We’ve owned two regular hybrids, two fully electric vehicles (still have one), and now this little guy. Liking it so far.

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what’s the electric range?

The new generation after 2022 redesign has not proved to be as reliable as the older generation you own. There is an ongoing recall to replace the engines on the twin-turbo V6 Tundras (not the hybrids), costing Toyota millions and damaging the reputation of both the brand and model.

Based on owner surveys, Consumer Reports gave the 2022 Tundra only a 5/100 in reliability – one of the worst reliability scores I’ve ever seen, among any make and model. While the engines failing was part of the problem, owners also gave the minimum reliability score for a variety of other categories – transmission, brakes, body hardware, noises/leaks, paint trim, etc. I wouldn’t assume that the new generation of Tundras are as likely to reach 200k miles as the older gen.

Note that I am not saying Toyotas in general are not longer reliable. It instead depends on the specific year and model. In general, the newer sedans seem to be more reliable than newer trucks. I was recently in the market for a ~5 year old sedan. Among this group, many Toyota/Lexus models were in a class by themselves. The vehicles with highest reliability scores from owners that had sufficient sample size across several years on CR survey were as follows. Both the hybrids and gas vehicles did well.

1 . Lexus ES – Overall = 4.6/5, Powertrain = 4.9/5
2. Toyota Avalon – Overall = 4.4, Powertrain = 4.8
3. Toyota Corolla – Overall = 4.3, Powertrain = 4.9
4. Toyota Camry – Overall = 4.2, Powertrain = 5.0
5. Toyota Prius – Overall = 4.2, Powertrain = 4.6
… Large Gap
6. Honda Accord – Overall = 3.6, Powertrain = 4.6

When charged to 100% it tells me I have 43 miles, which is more than my round trip to work (with a buffer for running an in-town errand or two). I can charge on a level 1 plug and only need a few hours to get back to full charge (which lets us do timed charge for cheaper evening electricity rate with no problems). Gas is still full…

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Hi. How did you decided to go with this car and what do you think so far? Just starting the process of looking for a plug in hybrid with AWD and will test drive this weekend hopefully.

My husband read that the PHEV RAV4 was a top performer in the category, in terms of electric range, value, etc. He mentioned other ones that are “highly rated” come from Lexus and BMW. I’m not a fan of the customer service at our town’s BMW dealership so that was a no-go for me. I am liking it so far - still haven’t used any gas, it’s zippy when I need it to be, and I was pleasantly surprised to find that crossbars don’t add any kind of annoying whistle sound (when I had an Audi E-Tron, which is marvelously quiet in general, the sound made by airflow over the crossbars was not acceptable so we kept them off). I like that the RAV4 has a small footprint for parking and getting around left-turners, etc. Sound system is good - listening to the free trial of Sirius XM has me noticing lyrics I’ve misheard a million times before :slight_smile:

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Teslas at my local dealership were vandalized as well yesterday. Someone painted swastikas on the cars and wrote various profane messages. There have been several protests at the dealership prior to the incident, with protestors asking area residents to sell both their Tesla cars and Tesla stock.

Tesla stock is certainly down – 38% decline so far this year, which I believe is 2nd largest decline among S&P 500 companies. However, I haven’t seen a corresponding change in used car prices. For example, most of the sedan models have dropped ~1% in past 30 days or ~5% in past 90 days. Toyota Prius and most other non-Tesla EV sedans show similar numbers.

Minor correction- Tesla does not really have traditional dealerships. They have showrooms and service centers. Cars are purchased online.

Thanks so much. My husband has a full electric Hyundai which we both love but he couldn’t drive the other day for a hike with friends because of no charging in a remote location so I am leaning hybrid for me. I appreciate your feedback.

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We’ve had our Venza hybrid for a full year now and have been very happy. Driving around town we are often at 50+ mpg, and on the highway are in the 40’s mpg-wise.

And the XLE is a very nicely appointed car.

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