<p>That’s not even close to true. It’s going to be so fun proving you wrong.</p>
<p>Penn: 1340 - 1520</p>
<p>Cornell: 1290 - 1480</p>
<p>Brown: 1330 - 1530</p>
<p>Dartmouth: 1350 - 1550</p>
<p>Yale: 1400 - 1580</p>
<p>Harvard: 1400 - 1580</p>
<p>Columbia: 1330 - 1530</p>
<p>Princeton: 1370 - 1560</p>
<p>Penn is definitely above Cornell, and its median is equal with Brown and Columbia. Boyakasha.</p>
<p>You guys are idiots.</p>
<p>Takes one to know one, jerk…</p>
<p>I rechecked the stats. My mistake, Cornell is the worst. But Penn comes in a close second (10 points behind). Can you give me the source for your stats? I got mine from CollegeBoard.</p>
<p>“Cornell does much much worse than Dartmouth and Brown when it comes to placing its grads into top graduate programs, and bringing in top recruiters”</p>
<p>Where did you find out this information? I’d like to take a look at it, if you don’t mind.</p>
<p>It was actually kind of funny today, my brother is visiting campus for the weekend, and we were eating lunch in the Ivy room and he looked at one of the seals and asked “what does Dartmouth mean?” I had to explain to him that it’s also a school in the Ivy League. And just think, he’s a high school senior who grew up in the northeast, just completed the college search/apply routine, and even applied to 2 Ivies. </p>
<p>Also, I should note that the scores of Cornell arts and sciences are nearly identical to penn’s and brown’s. Do a search on the Cornell page and you’ll get the info.</p>
<p>“Fahood, you’re misinformed. Cornell has only cracked the top 10 of USNEWS ONCE! and that was in the early 90’s when they misreported information.”
I never said anything against that. I simply pointed out that in the 3 US rankings, Cornell is not the last ranked ivy in any of them. Brown is behind it in US News, Brown and Dartmouth in Newsweek and all 7 of the other ivies in Washington Monthly.
Also, do you have a source for Cornell misreporting its information? I remember reading that Cornell being ranked 6th was due to a shift in criteria.</p>
<p>“I think your data points are wayyy off. But regardless of these stats, Cornell does much much worse than Dartmouth and Brown when it comes to competing for the same students (there is a Cornell produced document that says they lose 80% of cross applicants to these two schools), placing its grads into top graduate programs, and bringing in top recruiters.”
You are making claims without sources.</p>
<p>Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Brown and Dartmouth won the cross-admit battles due to general perception (although 80% seems a little high…), but its those other two points that are important as the question is not “how do high schools eniors view Cornell?” but rather “how do graduate schools and companies view Cornell?”</p>
<p>The weakest Ivy League school? Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth and Penn.</p>
<p>Also, as far as the whole SAT thing goes, I think we can agree the only parts of Cornell we should use to compare are engineering and Arts & Science. I can’t find the numbers for A&S, but here are the engineering numbers: </p>
<p>Mid-50% SAT Math range -
admitted students 730 to 800</p>
<p>Mid-50% SAT Verbal range -
admitted students 650 to 740</p>
<p>Top 10% of high school class 96% (Just thought I’d throw that in there)</p>
<p>Those numbers make Cornell most comparable to Dartmouth and Princeton.</p>
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<p>Look at the WSJ survey and then look at the makeup of the top graduate programs that publish undergraduate makeup (Yale Law, Harvard Law, Wharton, and a few others). Cornell doesn;t do so well. Then look at “core” schools for banks and consulting firms (published on vault). Cornell once again loses to its Ivy competitors.</p>
<p>Slipper, you are wrong. You know full well that 50% of Cornell’s undergraduate students major in Architecture, Hotel Management, Agriculture and Ecology. Since when to Hotel employees, Architects or Aggies seek careers in IBanking or Consulting. Some students have different passions and pursue them at Cornell. The only way to compare Cornell to a school like Dartmouth, which offers only traditional majors and therefore attracts only students interested in traditional fields, is to look at Cornell Colleges of Arts and Sciences, Engineering and ILR. Those three colleges combined enroll roughly 7,500 undergrads. If you consider that fact, and you conveniently seem to ignore it, Cornell is as effective as Brown or Dartmouth at placing students into top graduate programs or into exclusive firms.</p>
<p>shouldnt the ‘worst’ vary for each individual? i know for me, i’d want to attend the 8 schools in the following order:</p>
<p>Brown
Yale
Columbia
Dartmouth
Penn
Harvard
Princeton
Cornell</p>
<p>“Look at the WSJ survey and then look at the makeup of the top graduate programs that publish undergraduate makeup”</p>
<p>Oh yeah, that survey. You know for 6 of the schools they used facebook as their source for information. Shoot for the stars of journalistic integrity Wall Street Journal!</p>
<p>“shouldnt the ‘worst’ vary for each individual?”
yes.</p>
<p>a77, I got mine from collegeboard as well.</p>
<p>Penn does not come in a close second either, and its median is the same as Brown and Cornell. Thus, Penn is tied for 5th (at least by SAT scores, which does not necessarily determine academic quality).</p>
<p>Fanhood, those numbers are for admitted students which are usually 20 or 30 points higher than the numbers for enrolled students. Also, the engineering SATs at most schools is usually higher than the SATs for the school overall. Columbia College is 1330 to 1530 for enrolled students, but FU is 1400 to 1550 for enrolled students(higher than admitted student SATs at Cornell engineering).</p>
<p>worst ivy - cornell
worst ivy in prestigue - N/A</p>
<p>Actually Alexandre is you calculate Cornell at 7500 students it still does much worse than Dartmouth or Brown. Its far below those two schools at places like Yale Law, Harvard law, Wharton, etc even using 7500 for the school size. </p>
<p>Quick example:</p>
<p>Harvard Law
<a href=“http://www.law.harvard.edu/admissions/jd/colleges.php[/url]”>http://www.law.harvard.edu/admissions/jd/colleges.php</a></p>
<p>Dartmouth, 4079 students, 35HLS: 116.5 (means 1/117 go to HLS)
Brown, 5927 students, 48HLS: 123.5 (means 1/123 go to HLS)
Cornell, 7500 students, 45 HLS: 166.7 (means 1/167 go to HLS)</p>
<p>Also using 7500 is generous because hotelies and others DO apply to law school (I know a hotelie at law school personaly!)</p>
<p>Alexandre, this is a trend at EVERY top school that publishes data. Like it or not Cornell does SIGNIFICANTLY worse at EVERY SINGLE grad school that publishes data, worse on every list of revealed preference, worse at all published recruiting calculations, worse in every way possible except irrelevant international ranks that don’t seperate undergrad from grad. Its also clearly the least selective Ivy, which doesn’t mean much but this does tend to sway people into thinking lesser of the school in comparison to the other Ivies.</p>
<p>nice post slipper1234</p>
<p>Columbia, by far, would be the worst ivy to attend - for it is in Manhatten
Brown would be the worst academically
Prestige wize, i would have to say UPENN is worst - cause nobody ahs really herad of it (penn state?)</p>
<p>LOL why would an ivy in manhattan make it bad? That’s precisely why I chose Columbia.</p>
<p>The worst Ivy League school is the school that is not the right fit for the individual. I visited some schools that would be considered more prestigious than I ended up choosing (whatever the heck that means) but they just didn’t feel right. I’m pretty sure I could have gotten in wherever I wanted.</p>