<p>UPenn or Cornell…maybe Brown.</p>
<p>Another vote for Brown, greatguru. I think the open curriculum will allow you to explore your interdisciplinary interests better than Penn can. Brown has a better math department than Penn, although Penn has stronger economics.</p>
<p>London, not even a contest between those three… Back to the colleges, this is only from my observations from afar, but I always thought Brown was one of the more artsy, liberal, humanities schools, and the other two were on the more conservative side of a liberal spectrum (as in frats instead of coffee houses and football instead of politically charged poetry readings), math/businessy school. I could be wrong, though.</p>
<p>greatguru,</p>
<p>it seems like you are really choosing between two schools: UPenn and Brown. (I’d throw Cornell out of the picture - and you have even mentioned that you aren’t really thrilled to be going there).</p>
<p>Penn vs. Brown.</p>
<p>Academically, they are peers (assuming we are not talking about specialized undergraduate programs such as Wharton undergrad or Brown’s PLME 8-year medical program).</p>
<p>So it really comes down to what’s important to you.</p>
<p>What do you want to do after school?
Have you visited the campuses?
Bigger research U. vs. LAC-like university.
Philly vs. Providence.</p>
<p>As for post-grad job opportunities - depends on what you’d like to do. </p>
<p>I wouldn’t assume that Penn is > Brown in this dept.</p>
<p>If you are on a finance track, I’d give Penn the edge.</p>
<p>If you are on a law track, I’d give Brown the edge.</p>
<p>Medicine? Toss-up.</p>
<p>Bear in mind that at any given year, Brown graduates about 5,500 undergrads, whereas Penn graduates around 11,500 (a sum of all of its undergrad programs). In most cases, your competition isn’t vs. grads at OTHER universities as much as it is competition WITHIN your own university. In other words, as an example, if Goldman Sachs or McKinsey have 10 job offers to give between Penn and Brown, they are more likely to give offers to 5 Penn grads and 5 Brown grads rather than 10 Penn grads and 0 Brown grads (or vice versa). Most corporations are going to be spreading their recruiting around.</p>
<p>If you feel like you are definitely going to stand out and be a top tier student at Penn, then perhaps Penn may give you an edge in the overall corporate job market (but a very slight one) - but assuming you are going to be an automatic standout is quite an assumption to make at either school.</p>
<p>Cornell is barely an Ivy. Replace it with Duke, a de facto Ivy.</p>
<p>Actually, Goldman Sachs usually has about 40-50 offers for Penn. ;)</p>
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<p>Brown’s entire undergraduate student body is around that many students. Each class year is around 1400~1500 students, so I think only that many students would graduate each year (possibly less).</p>
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<p>You are absolutely correct.</p>
<p>In my haste in replying I quoted the sum total figures for Brown (5,500) and Penn (11,500), they are indeed the net aggregate undergrad numbers.</p>
<p>Thus, any given year, the numbers would indeed have to be divided by 4/4.5.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>mensa160, do you even understand the concept of the ivy league and why it was formed?</p>
<p>Cornell is barely an Ivy. Replace it with Duke, a de facto Ivy.</p>
<p>Ivy League is an athletic conference, Duke is in the ACC</p>
<p>What I’m saying is that Duke seems more like the other Ivies than does Cornell.</p>
<p>What I’m saying is that Duke seems more like the other Ivies than does Cornell</p>
<p>how so? because of it’s us news ranking?</p>
<p>i’d also like to know how so. How is it possible to be barely an ivy? Cornell is in the ivy league. Your statement is like saying somebody is barely pregnant. </p>
<p>… I weap for the future.</p>
<p>i’m deciding between brown vs upenn and even duke
Brown stands out because of its small undergrad size meaning their emphasis is on us mainly, so that’s a big edge if one truly want to receive a solid education rather than prestige. My parents doesnt support Brown because of its ranking since it dropped down to #15. Prestige is important, but frankly i feel i would learn more in Brown than at Upenn overall within exception in Business. I don’t think there’s any double at Wharton as the elite of the elite in business. </p>
<p>Upenn, yes the prestige factor is so high, but i don’t feel that the focus would be as great on us the undergrad than i would receive from Brown. I want to study business for sure and I got accepted by Wharton so how could someone turn that opportunity down! </p>
<p>decisions are so complicated</p>
<p>“If you are on a law track, I’d give Brown the edge.”</p>
<p>Why? Penn has a great law school and takes lots of their own.</p>
<p>You do realize that the ivy league is an athletic conference and not a ‘super special title given to the top 8 schools in the us’</p>
<p>every ivy has amazing law school placement rates (with the highest being Cornell’s school of industrial and labor relations being the highest in the country :))</p>
<p>I can’t believe I’m actually posting on this thread…</p>
<p>CORNELL is NOT the worst among the ivys, if you even want to say that there’s a worst. It’s very difficult to deliniate; once you reach a certain rank it’s subjective. Basically, go where you feel comfortable. For me that’s Cornell, which, btw, has the most rigorous curriculum in the ivys (so, those who called it the worst had no basis for saying that). I know people at every ivy; and they all have massive school pride. There’s no reason to bash any of these schools.</p>
<p>How rude, mensa. You managed to insult Duke’s weather, student body, and athletics all in one fell swoop. Duke an ivy?!?! :mad:</p>
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<p>jpps1,</p>
<p>you seem to have a consistent anti-Brown theme to your posts.</p>
<p>be that as it may, let’s consider the following:</p>
<p>1) Brown’s undergrad program is known for its relative strength in humanities that favor pre-law students: English Lit, History, Classics, IR etc.</p>
<p>2) Penn’s law school isn’t in the Top 5,
(Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Stanford, NYU)</p>
<p>Given that Yale, Columbia, Stanford and NYU don’t break down incoming class by undergrad (at least I couldn’t find them) that leaves us with Harvard Law School to analyze.</p>
<p>Comparing Brown vs. Penn grads (bearing in mind that Penn graduates DOUBLE the undergrads that Brown does in any given year)</p>
<p>Harvard Law ('05-'06):
Brown grads: 51
Penn grads: 53</p>
<p>Clearly, Brown grads punch above their weight and pound-for-pound beat Penn grads (when you consider that Penn’s graduating class is DOUBLE THE SIZE of Brown’s).</p>
<p>Now if we were discussing finance or business school, I give the edge to Penn (which I stated clearly).</p>
<p>Finally, I have NO AXE TO GRIND here, I am a Wharton MBA alum - if anything, I should be more biased towards Penn.</p>