<p>Um, since Wharton has always been known for business, I still don’t understand why you think grades are the determining factor for everything? If you want to go to grad school, thats great, but IMO to succeed in the business world, its a lot more about</p>
<p>1) Communication Skills
2) Time Management
3) Charisma</p>
<p>rather than …</p>
<p>1) Memorizing
2) Taking a MC choice test</p>
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<p>That COMPASSION in CAPs was a barb at you, good sir.</p>
<p>I guess you can’t pick up on sarcasm.</p>
<p>Dale Carnegie has said that "success in business is due 15 percent to professional knowledge and 85 percent to “the ability to express ideas, to assume leadership, and to arouse enthusiasm among people.” </p>
<p>Penn wouldn’t grant an acceptance to an individual they didn’t think could handle the courseload.</p>
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<p>With the sole exception of perhaps the IITs and maybe Beida, none of the Indian or Chinese universities hold a candle to the top 25 to 50 American tertiary schools. But I’d like to see you construct a good argument otherwise, EAD.</p>
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<p>Y’know, while I do bet that SOME of the D earners are people who maybe were lower percentile admits, I bet that the vast majority of them are just kids who are partying too much or kinda just lost their academic drive.</p>
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<p>I don’t see anyone advocating that. I think you’re just upset that we’re not saying that it should be the ONLY metric used.</p>
<p>I have an idea… which is somehow ironic cause Im actually doing it… but anyways…</p>
<p>each one has his or her own views toward where one should apply… my reasons might be different from others, ones may agree and other won’t but they are mine. We don´t know each other to the extent of saying who should apply or who shouldn’t… thats a very personal decision each one of us has to make. </p>
<p>I see this thread as a pointless one and would recommend to just stop posting!</p>
<p>Yeah, seriously. What overseas universities are as well-rounded as our top schools? Maybe the tech schools in China and India are good at what they do, and the London School of Economics is certainly not bad…but come on, no schools are as well rounded AND scholarly as ours! The US is so unique. Why do you think so many internationals want to come here? We have schools like Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford that rock at the social sciences. We have liberal arts colleges that cater to the individual student (finding that overseas? HA!). And the US has some excellent tech schools (um, MIT and Caltech, anyone? And don’t forget the other amazing universities that turn out outstanding scientific research and grads every year, like JHU, Univ of Arizona, Cal Berkeley, etc.)</p>
<p>In short, the OP really would make a good evil Asian dictator with his backward views.</p>
<p>P.S. To the OP: You’ve been very nice to me on the Yale thread so no bad feelings, OK?</p>
<p>Yeah, seriously. What overseas universities are as well-rounded as our top schools? </p>
<p>oxford / cambridge =p</p>
<p>“Yeah, seriously. What overseas universities are as well-rounded as our top schools?”</p>
<p>Again… your top schools are the best, and they are the ones we int’l students want to attend. But, on the other hand, when it comes to middle class education, if I can call it that way, your colleges suck, and they’re so not worth spending cash on it. Elite colleges represent barely 3%… And don’t even get me started on secondary education. </p>
<p>Also, there are a few top universities in Europe too. Oxbridge, LSE, Sciences Po, and more. So open your eyes a bit and quit talking about stuff you don’t know.</p>
<p>zules,</p>
<p>I don’t know that our “middle class” universities suck, though. In terms of resources, research output, and student bodies, even relatively unknown schools in the US that don’t get much attention here on CC.com are excellent schools. Perhaps not at the Oxbridge/LSE level, but still incredibly good for what they are.</p>
<p>The problem I see with education in Europe isn’t that it’s necessarily “bad”, but that there are very few standouts outside of Western Europe and a few in Central Europe.</p>
<p>And East Asia, at the moment, is a nightmare if you ask me.</p>
<p>^I strongly disagree with that statement as someone who’s lived in Asia, traveled there multiple times, family were all brought up there, and still has most of his relatives there. You probably know about the situation in Japan and perhaps in China better than I do, but the universities in India have vastly improved in the last decade or so. India’s current status in the region as an economic powerhouse and a source of labor has greatly improved its GDP and thus allowed it to allocate more of its funds to education and business development. TO tell you the truth, if the globalization trend continues then in a couple of decades, American grads from Harvard and Yale will soon find themselves working in multinational corporations in India under the leadership of individuals who went to local donation/regional colleges in India.</p>
<p>Furthermore mallomarcookie, you make an invalid statement when you assume that India and China are only good at producing engineers and doctors. It’s just that these are the only kinds of professions there that would require these people to come and work/study in the United States as internationals. China/India has MANY AMAZING poets/writers/musicians/etc. but they have no reason to come to the States. I guess what I’m trying to say that it’s incorrect to assume that the United States derives its success and will continue this trend as the result of the “well-rounded” and 'renaissance" education that it provides since that’s available worldwide if you know where to look. In addition, despite all the amazing scientific research/grads that HYP, JHU, UCB, etc. produce every year, Internationals occupy a large number of white-collar jobs despite coming from overseas and percentage-wise, they’re better off than these amazing “homegrown” grads you speak of. No hard feeling of course(I do like to be overbearing sometimes) lol!!!;)</p>
<p>EAD,</p>
<p>Is India in East Asia?</p>
<p>I wouldn’t risk losing an arm or a leg going to India, if you ask me. There are a lot of healthier places to go to.</p>
<p>And as long as the United States will attract/steal (depends on which side you’re on) other countries’ elite, they will not go down the toilet. Have a look at the International Student forum, some of the people there are ready to kill to study in the US.</p>
<p>There are many articles in magazines such as Newsweek and Times that talk about the talent drain from countries like china and india to places like america and europe. The only reason we can ‘steal’ the talent of other nations is because we have the best schools in the world :)</p>
<p>No need to state the obvious. And actually, it’s not that you have the best schools in the world, it’s that you have the most attractive ones.</p>
<p>zules,</p>
<p>Explain a bit more.</p>
<p>US schools are the most attractive ones for many reasons, but different to every people. I’ll speak for myself then. A degree from a US school, first, is a sign of success/prestige/social masturbation.
Of course, the beauty of the campuses we rarely have in Europe comes in as a close second. The quality of the education only comes in third: I’m in one of the best colleges in Europe for economics. Normal people would also give the “discovering a new culture” argument, but I know the US already and I believe the values of this country match me more than the values that France currently promotes.
There are two reasons why your colleges manage to drain other countries’ brains, way above the quality of your education:
<p>zules,</p>
<p>You’re a bit too…oh I dunno…pessimistic for me. I tend to see it this way:</p>
<p>Universities/colleges/places of tertiary education offer a service. That being said, you pay for this service (like anything else of value, no?) People aren’t stupid, and they do cost-benefit analyses of pretty much every purchase they make. It just so happens that at this time, the US’s universities offer the most benefits and positive externalities: breadth of available coursework, depth of coursework, resources, comfortable locations, etc. </p>
<p>Now, even if you are right, and our education is somehow less good than suggested, it still doesn’t matter. College isn’t about education alone anyway. That’s not a bad thing, either. That’s economics. </p>
<p>I guarantee you that if England offered more money to foreign students, it would see a lot more people going abroad. As it stands, many people (myself included) are given offers to Oxbridge, LSE, etc., that they simply cannot afford and are given no options to pay for, so they default back to their home countries.</p>
<p>Many American universities, however, will bend over backwards for their international students.</p>
<p>Who’s offering the better service?</p>
<p>“College isn’t about education alone anyway.”</p>
<p>Which is exactly why I said US colleges are by far the most attractive ones… For instance, I want to go to USC for 2 reasons topping the education: their alumni network is known worldwide and I hope to be part of it someday, and it’s SoCal, for Christ’s sake. Football, girls, weather, LA… That tops every single British university. </p>
<p>And I’d like to believe American universities offer many scholarships for their int’l students, but I doubt it. For a B+ student like me, there won’t be any.</p>
<p>Right, but this is what is incredible about American education: The top 50 or so universities, with very few exceptions, are amongst the top in the world. </p>
<p>AND they offer all those great extras.</p>
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<p>Relatively speaking, yes, they do.</p>
<p>Rankings are not the same when they’re published in Europe…</p>