<p>SO went to a concert last night- BRUCE!!!- and saw some of my Ds school mates- one girl, a senior had three beers, now she looks 16 does not look 21</p>
<p>Don’t actually tell me how, because i don’t want to spread the knowledge, but is it that easy to get a fake ID? and if not, how many guys are going, “sure, i will buy you all that beer little girl”</p>
<p>I saw another couple of girls realllllly drunk…security was dealing with them</p>
<p>i understand teen drinking, I am sure mine have/do sometimes…but why are the adults who are supposed to check IDs so lax? And why do adult males (so I don’t know many female types that would) just buy booze for some random kid?</p>
<p>They can be really good, especially if you know someone in the DMV. Knowing older people helps too, parents sometimes; they can buy. It really isn’t hard. At all.</p>
<p>trained bartenders usually tend to be good at what they do, from what (little) I understand. but sometimes money is money, especially in harder times.</p>
<p>You aren’t equating shagging a beer to strapping on a bomb vest are you? In most cities, dispensing alcohol requres a license. Training would be some additional type of requirement.</p>
<p>In my ommunity, the liquor comes from parent’s cabinets, and I guess they do not miss it or have no clue. ( I took some hs juniors on a trip for spring break last year, and the girl I least expected to break the rules brought a half gallon of tequila in her suit case.) The beer, wine, wine ccoolers etc come from the grocery store. Seems that any 16-18 yo high school student working the register or bagging has a friend 21 working at the same store who, at the start or end of the shift, just buys the beer for the underage kid who asks… Even mass quantities of beer. Guess he makes $20 doing it. The kids talgate and drink before the concert/show, since they can’t always score beer inside. At least they always seem to have designated drivers.</p>
<p>kids today get booze the same way they did 40 years ago. Nothing has changed in that regard. There is always somewhere and someplace to buy a half rack. I remember because of my height I could buy beer at 16 from the local asain quick stop. I think the people there used the theory that if I was already a foot and a half taller, I must be of age. ;)</p>
<p>Nowdays kids with computer technology being what it is, I know kids can easily reproduce a drivers license and currency for that matter.</p>
<p>cgm: Lots and lots of bartenders are trained in how to spot teenagers, and how to spot fake IDs, and all that. However (as someone who has used a fake ID many times and is a bartender trained in the aforementioned things), it is much tougher for a bartender to reject a fake ID than for a person to use it. Firstly, you can get very good fake IDs for very cheap; second, if you exude the right kind of attitude (confident and expectant), bartenders will implicitly assume you’re of age (even if you look somewhat young) and treat you that way off the top; third, it’s far more effort for a busy bartender to reject an ID, especially if it’s a pretty good fake. Many bartenders just aren’t willing to take the time in the middle of a busy night to deal with an annoyed customer whose ID they suspect might be fake. Because in reality, though in theory there’s punishment for serving minors, unless the bartender lets the drinking get out of hand, almost nothing ever happens to the bartender or the bar.</p>
<p>All that, and then there’s always the good old shoulder-tapping, and all that.</p>
<p>Of course older guys will buy the beer for the girls. And, of course kids have great fake IDs. When my son moved into the freshman dorm 2 years ago, all the kids (and I mean the majority) were comparing fake IDs. The kid with the Texas fake compared it against my husband’s DL and you could NOT tell the difference. They have to be scanned to really tell. </p>
<p>As I have pointed out elsewhere on this forum, some states and some towns are much more strict than others. S is serving an onerous probation and had a $5K legal bill for getting busted in NJ with a fake (actually, his friend was the one using it). </p>
<p>All those large concerts are easy for underage drinkers, though. I’ve seen them check IDs a lot, but it is easy to get the “older” friend to buy.</p>
<p>You really don’t get busted for selling to minors if you were presented with a reasonably-legitimate fake ID. Unless you’ve got a socially-conscious bartender who wants to prevent underage drinking, there’s no incentive to do anything but serve beer to people with ID.</p>
<p>D ,Grad student in St Louis reports that outside the mini marts,etc near her campus there is a thriving business of overage townspeople types who cater to the underage college kids…they simply line up outside and the overage “businessmen” purchase the beer for them inside.Its all business for the mini mart, and the entrepenaurs.
When we visited a small LAC a few years back,the same transactions were going on in a pretty deserted (but adjacent to a dorm area)parking lot on the college campus on a Friday night. The local guys(overage) pulled up in their minivans,trucks,etc opened their coolers and sold to the waiting kids.We were told by the LAC student S was visiting that this was standard operating procedure.</p>
<p>I’ve read about stores and restaurants that were fined for serving alcohol to minors, but I can’t recall reading about these intermediaries being arrested for doing this. Does that happen?</p>
<p>I am 17, but I must say it is ridiculously easy to get alcohol.</p>
<p>Here are different ways my friends get alcohol.</p>
<p>1) Parents buy it for them, as long as they are being responsible.
2) Teenagers go to a liquor store that don’t check ID’s. I know 7 off the top of my head in my area that never check for ID.
3) Ask older friends/brothers/sisters
4) Fake Id’s (as discussed)
5) Steal it
6) Ask some random person in the store. If they refuse, tell them you would buy them a drink too.</p>
<p>Like a previous poster said…the same way kids got it when we were underage.
There is always someone willing to but for kids. Don’t be so sure that they have fake ID’s… they probably drink before going into the venue.</p>
<p>When we were kids, we went to the local Greek owned convenience store that had a rep for not carding. If that didn’t work there was always the older brother or kid that was " legal " but still hung around with the high school kids.</p>
<p>If they want it, they will get it, but don’t be too quick to blame the person behind the counter of the liquor store or bar .</p>