Yale is Imploding over a Halloween Email

The Lukianoff stiutation was interesting. He was invited to a Master’s Tea months before, so the fact that he was there during the chalking/yelling event was pure happenstance, unless the students set up there at that particular time because he was in the building, which I suppose is possible. The Free Speech Symposium had also been set up well in advance of these events. As far as I can determine, it was really just a weird convergence of opposing players in the Silliman Courtyard that day.

Anyway, the Indian village statement is an interesting one. I read an article somewhere (I think on the Altantic site) where Lukianoff claims he meant it seriously; in other words, the whole E.C. incident pales in comparison to the burning of an Indian village (whether in India or early America doesn’t really matter to his purpose if we accept his statement). However, lots of people think he said it absolutely intentionally, not because he’s racist, but because he was in a symposium on free speech and he was making a point by testing its bounds.

As it happens, my college is situated close to a reservation, so we have a fair number of Native American students (who, as an aside, refer to themselves by their specific tribal identity first and as Indian second, rather than N.A.). I certainly can’t draw generalizations from this one response, but I ran the incident by a gifted N.A. student of mine, and her immediate reaction was, "I see what he was doing. I think that’s brilliant. " But she’s the kind of woman who’s pretty fearless about accosting guys with sexist t-shirts in the hall and asking them if they’ve thought about what they’re doing.

Thanks for re-linking to that article. I hadn’t seen the quote condemning the spitting before. Either I missed it or they added it later–they often add and delete stuff in articles, which is pretty confusing.

Lukianoff is invited to campus for a Master’s Tea. He is participating in an annual conference on free speech.

Yale sends an email asking students to be considerate in their choice of Halloween costumes.

EC sends a response email

Some students object to EC’s email

Lukiannoff films students, against Yale regulations, and posts the video on-line.

There are objections outside the university community to the response email

EC’s refers those objecting to Lukianoff’s The Coddling of the American Mind

Was the chalking a response to EC’s email? Lukianoff seems to be deliberately provocative. Some believe this justified in the cause of free speech. Are his friends also deliberately provocative? Did they really not anticipate the response to EC’s email? (I have not made up my mind, but I tend to believe academics are very deliberate with their words.)

Lukianoff makes a deliberately provocative (my interpretation) comment at the conference that provokes outrage.

Lukianoff is in the news a whole lot this last week or so. Lots of articles mention a movie he has coming out.

https://www.thefire.org/can-we-take-a-joke-new/

Mastadon?

A student or faculty member stands in the quad and yells that word.

If other students object, are they stifling free speech? Can they yell the person down? Or is it a reasonable expectation they either look away or engage in civil discourse regarding their objections?

If other students complain to the administration, and the administration decides that word isn’t allowed in the quad, is the University silencing that individual unjustly? Is this taking PC to the extreme?

I have no idea where to draw the line.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/11/11/on-the-front-lines-of-the-fight-for-free-speech-at-yale/

Privacy vs. free speech vs. hate speech.

Can’t we all just get along?

There was a case at my alma mater where someone yelled out the window of his dorm room that the students making noise “sounded like a herd of water buffaloes”. However, the students in question were African-American and decided that it was a racial statement, even though after some mild research it showed it was just like saying “pack of animals”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_buffalo_incident

We used to say “carrying on like a pack of hyenas”. And to be honest, there was a lot of “ownership by virtue of being noisy” on the Penn campus when I was there, and there was nothing we could do about it if the participants were minority.

Who can yell who down and why? If someone is yelling “we shall rise” “we shall defeat all” “we shall be victorious” in a public place, at night yet, do we have to do a skin color check to see if they are being racist, or if we would be racist to tell them to shut the heck up and go to bed?

Really? Why can’t they?

@ahl - in your post #1262 timeline I think you left out something. It it is of some significance to me that after the initial email was sent, a group of students expressed their displeasure to EC. She then wrote the email that is at the center of this controversy.

With Harvest Moon’s addition, I think that @alh’s timeline is a great summary of the situation in all its complexity. I don’t know, of course, but I’d guess that EC probably had free speech on her mind in anticipation of greeting her guest, but was not deliberately trying to provoke anything.

Another piece to add to the puzzle is that there really were incidents on campus last week where some (not all!) students of color were calling out other students of color for being “race traitors,” spitting on them (outside the Buckley event), pressuring them to drop their affiliations to “white” organizations, etc. Over the course of the week, my student gave me instances of friends and classmates (black and Hispanic/Latino) who were either being harassed in that way or who disagreed with the protesters “demands” but felt it was safer to keep their mouths shut. Should they get their voices out there? Absolutely, and I suspect they will, but I can’t blame them for laying low last week. And it’s ironic that anyone would protest their hurt and fragility by hurting others.

Also, while there may have been an impressive 1000 plus people at the protests, Yale has 12,000 students, with a diversity of voices.

That said, I think overreaction often leads to needed action. I’m interested to see what comes next.

@HarvestMoon1

I’d stopped posting to this thread but…

Perhaps I’m being too pedantic, but I think your phrasing implies something that may not be true. Using the word “group” implies to me–at least in these circumstances–at least several students acting in concert with one another. EC’s email merely says “some students” complained to her… I think saying “some students” and “a group of students” conjure up somewhat different images. I don’t think even EC has claimed that a “group of students” complained to her.

Some context may help. First, an associate master is Yale-speak is the master’s spouse or life partner, nothing else. (Before the Harvard alums here jump on me, let me explain that it is NOT the same as a “co-master” at Harvard.)

If a GROUP of students had wanted to complain about the initial email, it is extremely unlikely, IMO, that they would turn to the master’s wife for help in the first instance. Among other reasons, it is extremely unlikely, IMO, that if such a “group” were to form they would both (a)all live in Silliman College and (b)want to l imit their response to the email to Silliman residents. It just makes no sense.

However, one of EC’s hobby horses is free speech and, in the past, she has praised FIRE and Greg Lukianoff to the skies. I suspect that at MOST a couple of students who wanted to brown nose EC said something like “that email illustrates some of the points you’ve made in your blog.” EC then used the occasion to send out her email.

Now, maybe I’m wrong about what the commentators said to EC. However, EC has not described the students who allegedly complained to her as a “group” and I think you have changed the known facts when you do.

I also wanted to add a follow-up comment to the anecdote about D’s English reading assignment. It’s odd that speech in the classroom and around the high school is required to be so PC, yet what they are given to read is not. (This is akin to the issue raised that some of the universities that allow highly controversial theater productions and art exhibits that many would find offensive, are the same ones restricting other forms of speech, like lectures and commencement speeches.) So is it only spoken language and not other forms of communication that are perceived as problematic? I thought it was interesting that youngest D, having been shielded from non-PC language her whole life, now misses the point of some of the essays she has to read and write about for English class. For example, my oldest child would have perhaps used the term janitor before it became bad form to do so, but D would have only ever heard the school staff that cleans be referred to as custodians. Therefore, having missed that transition from one label to another, she probably wouldn’t know that calling someone a janitor could be perceived as a slight, and the dictionary would not clue her in to that fact either. Therefore, there are times when she misses the tone or meaning of an essay or passage because she never got the memo that this or that implication is considered offensive. For example, she didn’t realize that in some circles, liking NASCAR is code for being an uneducated hick, and as a result did not understand the full meaning of the essay she was reading this weekend. It’s a very strange state of affairs and I could absolutely see her one day looking up a synonym for custodian and writing “janitor,” and having it come back to bite her.

I am willing to substitute “some” for “group” as I don’t think it impacts my point. But aren’t they pretty much synonymous? We are arguing over semantics which I never like to do.

One comment that I’d like to add is that one student at Yale is being made to carry a lot of weight on her shoulders. Even if she is awful–and she probably isn’t, really–she doesn’t necessarily represent a social trend.

I think the situation will probably fade out some now–we’re at the stage where student groups make a bunch of dopey demands (along with a few reasonable ones), and the President puts on his listening face. Some of the demands will be met (with modifications) and hopefully everybody except the most extreme will be able to declare victory.

I think N. Christakis’ new letter was quite good. I think it very much enhances his likelihood of retaining his position as master.

Given the amount of peer pressure which would fall on students departing from the politically correct line (see #1267), I could well see students privately complaining to the associate master, rather than taking a public stance.

Erika Christakis was a co-master at Harvard with her husband. Let us not belittle female voices when they express unpopular viewpoints.

Dartmouth students have taken the protest further, in abusing fellow students in the library: http://www.dartreview.com/eyes-wide-open-at-the-protest/.

Showing that video in isolation without showing other videos/equivalent sources of moderate Muslim clerics and followers would be little better than the sort of selective reporting one would expect from a certain right-leaning partisan news source.

Incidentally, one friend made the following post which relates to serious dangers about stereotyping the entire minority group for the crimes of an extremist minority:

@ Periwinkle

I’m not belittling female voices.My comment had to do with the role of an associate master, not the role of females. For the record, the “associate master” who preceded EC at Silliman College and served in that role for about 15 years was male, married to the female master. Note that this article about the departure of the previous master doesn’t even mention her spouse. http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2014/10/08/silliman-master-to-depart/

And, yes, EC was co-master at Harvard. That means she shared the role of master with her husband.It also means she was chosen for the role. Not every master at Harvard has a co-master. As I understand it, each applicant for the position of master at Harvard can choose to split responsibilities with a co-master. Most, but NOT all co-masters are married couples. It is possible to split a mastership and be a co-master with someone who isn’t your spouse. It is also possible to be a master at Harvard, be married and choose NOT to share the role with your spouse.

It’s just a different position than associate master at Yale.

Cobrat, I understand your point and agree in general, but it’s simply not practical to present details about every perspective on each news story discussed in a classroom. Right now, Islamic jihadists from Belgium are the news-makers, so I think it’s fair for students to hear Muslim radicals from Brussels express their beliefs and goals, since those ideas are what motivated the attacks.

"Dartmouth students have taken the protest further, in abusing fellow students in the library: http://www.dartreview.com/eyes-wide-open-at-the-protest/.
“F*** you, you filthy white fs!” “F you and your comfort!” “F*** you, you racist s***!”

These shouted epithets were the first indication that many students had of the coming storm. The sign-wielding, obscenity-shouting protesters proceeded through the usually quiet backwaters of the library. They surged first through first-floor Berry, then up the stairs to the normally undisturbed floors of the building, before coming back down to the ground floor of Novack.

(snip)

Students who refused to listen to or join their outbursts were shouted down. “Stand the f*** up!” “You filthy racist white piece of s!” Men and women alike were pushed and shoved by the group. “If we can’t have it, shut it down!” they cried. Another woman was pinned to a wall by protesters who unleashed their insults, shouting “filthy white b*!” in her face."

Expel those losers. They don’t know how to behave as adults. They don’t deserve the facilities at Dartmouth, and how DARE they involve innocent students who are just trying to study and do their work. Shame on them. Spare me their desire for safe space.

I’m no lawyer. If I, as an adult, am sitting in my public library, studying and minding my own business, and someone comes up to me, shoves me, pushes me and yells “filthy white b” in my face, what grounds do I have for either a criminal or civil suit against them? Because I swear if that happened to my daughter, I’d have a lawyer faster than you could imagine.

Clearly what these students did would violate Dartmouth’s code of conduct. Probably the law as well - not sure if they physically “pinned” her to the wall, but if they did that has to be an assault or a battery.

Not surprised. In view of what’s going on nationwide I was waiting for news to come out of Hanover. Remember the take over of the President’s office and the disruption of accepted students day?

I think part of college for the students sitting in the library is getting to experience being a target of the vitriol-laced comments from student protestors.

Just imagine how valuable that is to anyone considering a career in college administration.

It’s something you can’t really simulate in a class…

Another issue is that many HS teachers and Profs I’ve had would regard such a starkly imbalanced presentation as not fulfilling the minimum requirements of what was supposed to be an “academic” assignment where one is supposed to acknowledge the existence of and discuss to some extent other perspectives on a given issue…such as more moderates or reformist voices within a given religion if one’s discussing religious extremism.

A few HS classmates on various extreme sides of the political spectrum who presented essays or presentations where only one side/perspective was presented or that perspective dominated without adequate acknowledgement/coverage of differing perspectives ended up receiving dismal/failing grades and/or told to redo the entire assignment with serious grade penalties. In one class, a teacher even went so far as to publicly scold the classmates by saying they were supposed to write a well-researched essay/presentation, NOT a one-sided polemic opinion piece.

In one standout case in undergrad, one older college classmate got into serious trouble with our Prof for the exact same issue. Ironically, that classmate and the Prof actually shared nearly identical perspectives/politics on that particular topic.

However, said Prof felt that was irrelevant when it came to holding said classmate accountable for not giving reasonably representative coverage and acknowledgement of opposing/differing perspectives within that issue. Classmate was really peeved at the critiques and much lower than expected grade…especially considering it counted for 70%+ of the final class grade.

I’d take the reporting of the Dartmouth Review with some grains of salt unless there are other corroborating reports from more balanced sources considering it’s commonly known among Dartmouth students/alums I know for extremely partisan and selective reporting a la some partisan right-leaning news media.

From perusing them…they almost remind me of the strident partisan reporting I’d expect from other unabashed partisan campus news media…such as the exceedingly extremist radical lefty MIM(Maoist Internationalist Movement) Notes newspapers I’ve seen at Oberlin and at many other campuses during my undergrad years and a few years after college when visiting friends/attending parties on their college campuses.