Yale University Early Action for Fall 2024 Admission

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Obviously data is not available from this year yet, but I did not hear the Deam say exactly that. I thought the message was more that the Dean was saying they would like to see more test scores, and that test scores might help more applicants than conventional wisdom suggested, not that no one was getting in without test scores.

Again, this seems to be a simplified, universalized, and hard rule that you are asserting, not something the Dean actually said (although feel free to quote him precisely). I again personally suspect their academic evaluation policies are too complicated to be reduced to such simple rule statements

We actually know how this works from the podcast. The regional readers do not in fact unilaterally make decisions, they evaluate the application and then present those applications to a 5-person regional committee, which meets regularly to discuss those applications and make provisional decisions, which can then be adjusted by another committee at the end of the process.

But my point was that if there were some set of simple, hard rules of the type you are stating, then presumably those readers could simply implement those rules themselves. They would not need to waste the time of the senior officers in a whole separate review phase.

Incidentally, the readers have all sorts of internal policies that are not made public.

I’m not so sure about that. Maybe not Dartmouth alone, but when recently discussing this, the Dartmouth Dean was suggesting he was getting interested inquiries from other colleges about what they were developing. If this ends up similar to, say, the CSS Profile or UK A Level system, then those would be precedents for universities being fairly forthcoming.

Of course it is important to understand this would not be a calculator you could use to actually determine the results of full holistic review. It would just tell you if you plausibly met their minimum academic standards for getting full holistic review.

Like, UK universities will say something like a course has a minimal requirement of AAB. That doesn’t necessarily mean they will admit you with an AAB, but it helps applicants understand that if they are not on track to get at least an AAB, applying to that course is probably not a good idea.

And that is in their interests, because they really do not benefit from having to wade through a bunch of uncompetitive applications to get to the ones they really want to consider.

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I need to get a transcript of that interview so I can quote it directly.

It is definitely in every US school’s interest to get lots of uncompetitive applications that they can reject quickly, as reject rate is one of the key drivers of the US news ranking. University of Chicago’s acceptance rate was 38% in 2006, when they hired consultants to help them improve their rankings. One of their first actions was to market heavily to lower performing HS students that they knew they would probably reject. UofC’s acceptance rate is now 5%.

If everyone knew the screening algorithm, application numbers would drop dramatically. Yale does not want an 80% acceptance rate, but there’s no way they’re spending equal time agonizing over every application with wildly complex formulae. They’ve got to be rejecting a large number in an initial screening process, and then carefully scrutinizing the remainder.

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sorry for the abrupt interruption in convo, but does anyone know if there is a hard deadline for the loci? i have a few awards and events that i know will be receiving/holding in february and i wanted to wait until i had officially received those before sending a loci/update. thanks!

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Acceptance rate is no longer a factor in USNWR rankings. They stopped using it around 2019, when it was 1.25% of the ranking formula, far from being a ‘key driver.’

I agree that all of these schools, including Yale, market their schools
some in more careful/targeted ways than others. AOs are sales people and marketing works.

Even if people knew Yale’s screening criteria, many would still apply to take their shot. Which is ok, as long as it’s part of a balanced college list. Yale can hire plenty of admissions readers to keep up with app volume.

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This is what they said in the Admissions Podcast:

If you have new information, essentially like breaking news that’s just happened in your life between November 1 when you applied and let’s say the middle of February or beginning of March, you can put together one nice, concise application update. Use your portal to send it together just to give us the latest and greatest.

This implies to me you are OK waiting until whenever in February you have the awards and events you want to report.

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Son deferred by Yale. Confused as to whether to apply RD to other top 10 colleges or ED2 to University of Chicago. Does any one know if chances of getting in to Chicago by ED2 are better than RD to Yale( 5-10% of the deferred get in RD).

Waiting on results of Public IVYs in January, if he gets into any, can he change the ED2 application to University of Chicago to RD?

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I stand corrected, thanks for pointing that out. However I still believe schools care a great deal about acceptance rate (as well as yield, which is also absent from the USNWR rankings). First off, USNWR publishes an acceptance rate list and posts it. Second, acceptance rate and yield are likely key drivers of the highly subjective “peer assessment” category in the USNWR rankings.

Finally, acceptance rate is a quantification of selectivity that most people can understand; HS guidance counselors typically categorize schools by acceptance rate. Nobody really knows what the amorphous USNWR rankings really mean, but everyone knows what acceptance rate means.

I think there would be considerably more self selection, would be more like the English schools. Anyone who thinks they really have a shot puts a ton of work into the Yale app.

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Again, this thread deals with Yale Early Action. What other schools do, USNWR, UK universities, any university that is not Yale, are all off-topic, and such posts are subject to deletion without comment. Thank you for your understanding.

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D23 submitted her LOCI on February 3rd, it was on a later side, in my opinion, but it worked out, since she got a couple of important updates worth waiting for. She is a freshman Yalie.

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I’m not sure Yale is too worried about getting “lots of uncompetitive applications”. They’ll always have a low acceptance rate.

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Could you post a link to the Yale RD thread here. I can’t find the RD links

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So what does deferral mean for this school? How can I interpret this deferral as an fgli urm with slightly lower grades than most of the ea pool? And i emailed admissions to ask when to submit the loci and they said mid feb is the best, is that too late or shld i do it earlier to show my interest?

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if they recommended mid-feb, i’d just do it then. on the portal, only ~19-20% of REA applicants were deferred. im not sure how being an fgli urm should be interpreted. even with lower quantitative stats, im sure your essays, rec letters, and extracurriculars were good enough to stand out in a pool from which they rejected ~70% straight up. as a fellow deferree (grammarly, i know that isn’t an actual word please stop), i plan on just sending in a loci sometime in february with all relevant updates that are worth their time reading :slight_smile:

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I don’t know how helpful this is in practice, but I think it just means they want to see what sort of other applications they get, probably including what other FGLI applications and such they get, before making a final decision in your case. They obviously think you would be a good admit, they would have just rejected you (along with a lot of other people) if they didn’t. But they have to ultimately turn down a lot of good admits, and they just aren’t sure yet what they will get.

That’s great, just do that. At a high level, I think you have to trust that Yale knows you are very interested, and you don’t need to do anything more on that. The LOCI/update is more just to give them a bit more information on what you have been doing/achieving/etc. since you applied back on November 1.

Apparently they think mid-February hits the right balance between giving you ample time to do more stuff, but also for them not to be too far into the RD process. And so I would just go with that advice.

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Purdue stated today EA decisions on the 12th starting at 5 pm

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Hello! I applied REA and got deferred. I heard people saying that deferred applicants should submit LOCI, but I don’t really have significant changes. I didn’t win any additional meaningful awards or recognition. I’ve just been continuing my ECs. Should I still submit a LOCI? If so, what should I even include?

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I note the Admissions Podcast suggested they do not necessarily want a LOCI without any updates.

Maybe you can wait a bit and see if something comes up, if only first term grades.

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Not trying to read tea leaves but for those that got deferred SCEA wondering who else got an IDOC second record on Yale fin checklist the day after SCEA (Dec 15) came out? Just wondering if it was some sort of delay because it was pulled Dec 14 from CSS/IDOC and posted to Yale fin checklist the day later. We did not post any update on CSS/IDOC. Maybe it was just some default action after the SCEA desicion was posted and our applicaton moved into RD.

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That seems like a good bet. I have no idea of the details, but as a general rule I know that Financial Aid typically tries to make sure they align their process to provide offers on the same schedule as Admissions. The FAFSA delay mucked things up for early applicants this cycle, but it seems logical being deferred would automatically trigger some sort of timing adjustment over at Financial Aid.

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