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<p>I have already issued you a private apology, several times over, via pm earlier today. That you chose to bring this up again on this thread even after that tells me that I should issue one publicly as well. Please accept my sincere apology for my commentary which you took as “stinging.” I have rarely, if EVER, come to this forum with the purposeful intention to hurt <em>anyone</em>, and my comment to you, though more brazen than I would normally ever make here, reflected the “ouch” of a true sting on this side as well…for me–and for my children–who are every bit as precious to us as yours are to you. I took your comment to mean that those without the means to put their child in ANY school of his choice were somehow lesser parents and did not “value education” as much as your family did. In fact, we did all kinds of jumping through hoops to ensure that BOTH of our older kids are in settings that fit and work for them, one elite and one far, far from it. We would move heaven and earth for them, but we do not have the financial means to give zero consideration to the money side of the issue.</p>
<p>I would ask that you please reread my original post. NEVER did I mention your daughter or refer to her in the terms that you stated above, either publicly or privately. That’s just not fair to suggest anything of the sort. If you will remember (and as I pointed out in my pm to you earlier today), there was NO ONE here cheering louder for your D’s acceptances than I was, both publicly and privately (through pm), and I have NEVER wished her–or you–anything but the best.</p>
<p>I am glad that you have received needed support through pm. I have too…in fact a great deal of it. This was not something that I had planned to mention on the board, but I appreciate the support of those who have shared the idea that I am not the bully that I’m being made out to be, but rather someone who dared to express a sentiment held by others as well. If your statement didn’t read as you intended it to, I was not the only one who interpreted it incorrectly. Regardless, again, I am very sorry for hurting your feelings or causing you to feel judged. It is VERY disconcerting to feel judged, isn’t it? :(</p>
<p>I sincerely hope we can lay this to rest now. As I told you several times in my earlier pm, I had less than NO issue with WHAT you stated…it was the manner in which it was stated–the tying in of free choice of any school to valuing education–that I found unfortunate. Why don’t we just chalk this up to NEITHER of us expressing ourselves in the best way this time?</p>
<p>I am here via pm if you have anything additional to add. I would prefer to take it private, but that is strictly your choice. </p>
<p>Peace. ~berurah</p>
<p>eadad’s post reminded me of something a poster told me in a very informative p.m. (where they were patiently explaining bio research to a history major). It was this poster’s posit that there was a difference between how grad schools and research labs might view a kid with a “Named Scholarship” , rather than those with a general merit award.</p>
<p>I don’t know about all that but in the decision process I googled the name of D’s scholarship and found medical doctors and lawyers and others prominently displaying their “Named Scholarship” in their professional profiles, firm bios etc… I found it interesting, but it was appealing that they considered it a real positive. I bet you can google Morehead or Axline or Lay or Hays and find the same thing.</p>
<p>Oh, can y’all tell by the length of my posts that I can see again? Much better. LOL. Thanks for the suggestion calmom but I don’t even know what that (firefox) is. We have a family of red foxes and a family of grey foxes. I always thought that was cool.</p>
<p>."But Hanna, as we have already learned the bottom 3/4 at an Ivy is not any better stats wise than the top 3/4 at Vandy. There is not the 500 to 5000 that you think, is there? LOL. That everyone should be able to see.</p>
<p>Curm, and all posters on this thread-<br>
I’m pasting the following list regarding SAT scores that another CC parent posted in Aug 2006. Sorry if I can’t credit the original poster.
The second part sheds light on an interesting statistic - the % of students with SAT’s over 1500 at colleges- that relates back to the "critical mass’ comment made by Hanna on page 62 [sorry this may be moot at this point but I’m trying to catch up on this incredible thread after being away for a few days, so if this is irrelevant at this point my apologies] </p>
<p>Which universities have the most students with over 1500 SATs? </p>
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<p>I thought it might be interesting to see where the most students are going who score over 1500 on the SATs. The following is a list sorted by my estimate of how many full-time undergraduates have SAT scores over 1500 based on US News 2007. This is the raw number of students with over 1500 SATs, not the percent.</p>
<h1>with SAT over 1500/1600</h1>
<p>UC Berkeley 3668
Harvard 3333
U Penn 3110
Cornell 2805
UCLA 2791
U Texas Austin 2516
Yale 2513
Stanford 2435
Duke 2282
Columbia 2198
U Illinois Champaign-Urbana 2013
MIT 2007
Brown 1998
Northwestern 1998
USC 1977
Princeton 1953
NYU 1891
Washington U St Louis 1882
U Virginia 1723
U Michigan Ann Arbor 1645
U Florida 1639
U Notre Dame 1505
U Chicago 1501
Dartmouth 1486
Georgetown 1478
Georgia Tech 1470
UC San Diego 1349
Johns Hopkins 1278
Emory 1148
Tufts 1115
Rice 1030
Vanderbilt 1026
Carnegie Mellon 981
Boston College 893
UNC Chapel Hill 892
U Washington 844
UC Davis 721
College of William and Mary 711
UC Santa Barbara 708
Penn State University Park 687
Caltech 567
U Wisconsin Madison 561
RPI 543
Tulane 535
Case Western 514
UC Irvine 470
U Rochester 414
Brandeis 399
Lehigh 291
Wake Forest 278</p>
<p>The proportion of over-1500 SAT scorers is also interesting. It indicates where the over-1500 students are most highly concentrated. Here is a list sorted by the proportion. Keep in mind, these are estimates.</p>
<p>proportion over 1500</p>
<p>Caltech 0.6213
MIT 0.5
Harvard 0.4697
Yale 0.4697
Princeton 0.4102
Stanford 0.3737
Dartmouth 0.3669
Duke 0.3527
Columbia 0.3416
Brown 0.3369
Rice 0.3369
U Chicago 0.3253
Washington U St Louis 0.305
U Penn 0.2984
Northwestern 0.2483
Johns Hopkins 0.2483
Georgetown 0.2272
Cornell 0.2053
Tufts 0.1946
U Notre Dame 0.1822
Carnegie Mellon 0.1822
Emory 0.1788
UC Berkeley 0.1645
Vanderbilt 0.163
Case Western 0.1383
Georgia Tech 0.1337
U Virginia 0.1286
College of William and Mary 0.1286
USC 0.123
Brandeis 0.123
UCLA 0.117
RPI 0.1105
NYU 0.0996
Boston College 0.0934
U Rochester 0.0934
Tulane 0.0869
U Texas Austin 0.0747
UC San Diego 0.0689
U Illinois Champaign-Urbana 0.0673
U Michigan Ann Arbor 0.0673
Wake Forest 0.0673
UNC Chapel Hill 0.0654
Lehigh 0.063
Yeshiva 0.063
U Florida 0.0513
UC Santa Barbara 0.0406
U Washington 0.0365
UC Davis 0.0349
UC Irvine 0.0243
Penn State University Park 0.0207
U Wisconsin Madison 0.0207</p>
<p>Calmom, thanks for taking the time and writing such a thorough post. I’m going to copy and paste it and send it on to my friend. I’ll see what he says. The Columbia part scares me. I don’t think she is ready for Columbia.</p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
<p>Menloparkmom, I LOVE your post.
I was at Berkeley yesterday. I think Stanford’s campus blows compared to Berkeley’s but I admit I haven’t seen all of Stanford’s campus. (It’s pretty large). </p>
<p>One thing that amazes me about CC. How much Berkeley is trashed. I was just there yesterday with a friend so I know I’m not too biased. 
I think the campus is beautiful with the redwoods on the campus and the view of the bay is fantastic. Ok. The town doesn’t work for some. Still I will never figure out the negative sentiment about this school. On CC, it’s trashed more than Harvard.
3668. :)</p>
<p>Well, dstark, it kind of depends on major – in some areas it is possible for a Barnard student to mostly avoid taking classes at Columbia… but I personally would find the Barnard campus to be suffocatingly small if I never ventured across the street. However, my daughter’s interest in Russian makes Columbia inevitable --it’s what keeps her on the Columbia campus 5 days a week.</p>
<p>Anyway, Columbia didn’t look all that scary on the outside when I was walking around. The sun came out that day and students were sitting out on the steps soaking up the rays and no one bit me. Actually, no one took notice of me, except there was a nice lady in an office marked “visitors” who gave me a campus map. The Barnard women may end up taking classes at Columbia, but they don’t have to deal with the dreaded core… and as I said, the grading doesn’t seem particularly tough. At least not on the humanities end of things.</p>
<p>In fact, I think campus-wise, Berkeley Sproul Plaza and Telegraph Avenue is scarier than anything I saw at Columbia. The Columbia campus and Morningside Heights seem really sedate by comparison.</p>
<p>She wants a small sized school. She goes to school in SF so I think the city part will be fine. I’m not totally sure though.</p>
<p>My daughter was scared to death of Berkeley at 16 and when she visits now, she’s 21, she loves the place.</p>
<p>There are a lot of panhandlers, no doubt about it. There are some strange looking people hanging around the campus. No doubt about that too.</p>
<p>I think your daughter is going to be the role model for my friend’s daughter. Your daughter showed, if you have a passion and are strong in something, the college admission game can work for you.</p>
<p>Calmom, do you know why Columbia has maintained Barnard seperately? All of the others gave up the women’s school when they went coed. Does Barnard have parent’s weekend the same weekend and other events with Columbia?</p>
<p>What sense would it make for a kid to transfer from B to C as my daughter’s high school friend is trying to do?</p>
<p>Barnard didn’t want to give up its unique character so it resisted merger with Columbia in the 80’s – there was talk of merger and then it all fell apart over various issues related to control of faculty depts, etc. – so then Columbia decided to go co-ed on its own. Here’s a Time magazine article written at the time that gives some context:
<a href=“http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,955006-1,00.html[/url]”>http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,955006-1,00.html</a></p>
<p>I don’t know why a kid would want to transfer from B to C, but there was some discussion a while back on the Columbia thread where a B>C transferee explained her reasons. My concern is that I think it’s tough to transfer into a school with strong core requirements – it means that at a time when the student is ready to focus on her major, she would have to make up the core courses and would be a sophomore or junior in a classes filled with freshmen. But there are a handful of students who go that route. My guess is that most of them would be students who wanted Columbia in the first place - and maybe some of them had the foresight to structure their first year Barnard course selection in a way that would satisfy many of Columbia’s core requirements.</p>
<p>Barnard & Columbia’s academic calendars are the same and they do have family weekend together; O-Week is done together too, so all the various social O-Week activities involve students from Barnard/Columbia/Fu together. Of course academic stuff (like meeting with advisors) would be done at their own campuses.</p>
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Well, I can. 
Here’s a link to the original thread by collegehelp if anyone wishes to read more musings on the sat. </p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=2870940&highlight=Berkeley+3668#post2870940[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=2870940&highlight=Berkeley+3668#post2870940</a></p>
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<em>ROFL</em> yulsie! Soooooo true! Here’s one for ya…I believe that the legendary ER was being discussed even back here…
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=21907&highlight=anyone’s+child+choose+free+ride[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=21907&highlight=anyone’s+child+choose+free+ride</a></p>
<p>Kids who get Moreheads or major scholarship awards at age 18, well those kids are superstars. Superstar is an elitist word and I don’t care who hears me say it. They are awesome. Your son, ea, b’s son, cur’s d, kdos’s son–all these kids have so much talent and ambition. It’s great. Who cares where they go to school? They are going to do something fantastic with their lives–on a small scale, on a big scale, on a medium size scale. At the start of their careers, at the end, in the middle. It’s all possible.</p>
<p>We have seen some great kids pass by–tlaktan–the counterpoint to Evil Robot. He signed up for Gtown SFS without knowing where all the money would come from. He pulled it off though. Props to him.</p>
<p>xiggi–steering his sister through to Stanford. Wolfpiper. calmom’s d breaking the mold. driver’s musician. andison gutting it out and getting the prize. mariteson. soozie’s ds. idad’s d. mini’s ds. carolyns d. AlumD. BeHappy’s D. These students are amazing. They all have a story to tell–and most of them are way more impressive than anything I conjured at that age. I turned out slightly better than alright. I cannot begin to imagine the accomplishments and adventures these kids will have.</p>
<p>What’s next? What’s NOT next? Choose from the buffet kiddies. It’s there for the having.</p>
<p>Heck, I love all the tippy boat stories and the Lazarus stories about TSFH. </p>
<p>I enjoy the diversity on the board. Full stop.</p>
<p>cur- don’t forget UT-Houston. My daughter’s boyfriend (soon to be fiance) is a 3rd year med student there (after attending Loyola-New Orleans on a full-ride for music, I might add and winning the physics prize there) and got tons of money to attend UT-H. I forgot all about this incredible young man in this discussion about turning down the elites and going for the merit money. It has served him well. (just an aside-D met him when she picked him up New Year’s Eve a year ago on our family cruise. He was the pianist in the ship’s band. He did gigs on Carnival to earn money for school! Turns out he was in med school in Houston where she is a vocal performace major at Rice. The rest is history.)</p>
<p>eadad: Thanks–nice post and story. </p>
<p>By the way, several pages ago, someone questioned what happens to these kids who receive these scholarships–10 years or more down the road. Certainly, with the named scholarships at particular universities, I believe you can probably go to the web sites and read about their alumni. And curmudgeon is correct; no matter how old a person is who has received one of these outstanding named scholarships, that fact always tops the bio or published story about the person. Some of these scholarships truly are life-changing (in a very positive way!).</p>
<p>B. Concur to take it private. To the rest of the board, just assume that many things have been said and missaid and heard and misheard. Carry on.</p>
<p>My , everybody must be glad it’s Friday - or whatever day it is for cheers in cheersland . It always confuses me. (O.K. Carry your one , cross the international date line, divide by DST.) . Excellent thoughts everybody.</p>
<p>MOWC, I’d seriously thought about listing UT-Houston and Galveston. Both are excellent choices. I should have. I wasn’t knocking them. D would be proud to go. Texas pre-meds are very lucky.</p>
<p>And what would be so bad about marrying a marine - in many ways, they would have a lot in common. Both dedicated, hard driving, willing to “improvise, adapt,
overcome”. </p>
<p>Another flying insult and no one even notices - or do they?</p>
<p>I noticed it, reflectivemom, but wasn’t in the mood to address it. </p>
<p>My H is a biomed engineer who works with plenty of surgeons who’ve trained in the military. I think a marine/orthopaedic surgeon sounds pretty studley. Or a marine/(insert any career you can think of.)</p>
<p>I understand StickerShock - I almost let it go, also - but then decided to start jousting at those windmills again.</p>
<p>Glad to see someone else noticed!</p>
<p>I didn’t take the Marine comment as an insult. I took it as meaning Cur’s D might be leaving Texas and no telling where she would be!
You guys are too sensitive!</p>