Your kid takes the top scholarship instead of the top school. What's next?

<p>passionflower - i don’t think anyone can sensibly decide for you or even recommend. I will say that when we visited Lafayette, I got the very same sense you did of a highly personal atmosphere with profs knowing students well, etc. I can say from personal experience of a gadzillion years ago that Wellesley was the same and I’m sure still is.</p>

<p>All the schools on your list are excellent. I think a feeling that you are “in a prime position to excel” is a sound factor to influence your decision. Good luck with your excellent choices.</p>

<p>I’ve been following this thread off and on now since it was created…</p>

<p>Lately I’ve been worrying a lot about where I’ll end up in the fall. I’m prolly going to major in Neurosci and English/Pub Policy and do a premed track. We are middle class. We’ve got an EFC that hovers around 30k and the parents say that they will take out loans and will help me pay for my undergraduate education, so long as I am happy where I go, and that it will help me in the long run.</p>

<p>I’ve been accepted to 6/9 schools so far. I’m waiting on Brown (PLME) my dream school, which I’d attend with or without a BS/MD program. Of course, it’s expensive and competitive. I’m being offered a full ride at UMDCP (I’ll say it because I’ve said it in my other threads anyway) among other things. And next door, UVA has also been recruiting me heavily. So has Duke, who’ll be flying me out for Duke Up Close. So it’s between Brown, Duke, UVA, and UMCP really (I don’t care much about jhu, dartmouth, boston u, columbia, urochester), and only the final three if Brown says no to me.</p>

<p>I made a thread that goes over the pros and cons of my UVA/UMCP problem: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=316583[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=316583&lt;/a&gt; and you can just look at the first post to see what each is offering… Surprisingly enough, that thread is in the UVA forum but most of the people are saying to take CP if I go to medschool.</p>

<p>Of course that’s without factoring in Brown… So I guess I really am in the same position as many of you or your children in this thread. I’m scared about what taking Brown/Duke would do for my parents finances but also reluctant to go to a school that is essentially high school all over again for me (social scene and ease of academics) even though it would mean a great GPA for Med School applications.</p>

<p>There are things I want to do - journalism, env activism, comm service - that I feel would be better recognized at a school like Brown, that’s smaller and more intellectually diverse/intellectual, and those things are very important to me. Social life in general is quite important… because I know I’d do well wherever I go… it’s just being in an environment I like and feel good learning in (Brown). People talk about fit… and Brown definately feels like the best fit of all these.</p>

<p>Anybody have any thoughts specific to my situation? Sorry this is soooo long… but I’d really appreciate it!</p>

<p>All great choices fengshui. Good luck with Brown but don’t cross Duke out. They came through with some mighty amazing scholarships for berurah’s son. Try not to overthink what ‘scene’ you will find at a big university. There will be journalism and env science opportunities at any of your choices. Rather than tie yourself up in knots about Brown as the one and only, start chanting a mantra of “I will bloom where I am planted.”</p>

<p>Because you will, kiddo, you will. A year from now you will wonder what the angst was all about.</p>

<p>First off, really talk to your parents about the finances and about what they want for you. In my case, even though paying for college is not easy, there are things I would be furious if my kids did to cut down the cost (as well as things I would be really, really grateful to them for doing to cut down the cost). Others here may disagree, but for me one of the worst possible decisions you could make would be going someplace because you thought it would be easy and you would get great grades for med school.</p>

<p>That said, I’m sure that you are wrong, and that College Park would not be as easy as all that, unless you work hard to MAKE it useless. But if your attitude is “high school all over again”, that’s a horrible way to start.</p>

<p>I think Brown is a wonderful school. Students love it, and I think your read on it sounds right. It has a great culture of learning. I don’t love Duke as much, but I have seen a lot of smart kids go there and they love it, and they come out looking pretty impressive. Whether either is worth $100,000+ more than College Park is a tough question, one that I don’t know enough about Maryland to answer.</p>

<p>fengshuibundi, does your high school have 30,000 students? I ask because somewhere you said UMD would be like high school all over again.</p>

<p>I’m sure some people are going to say Brown, some UMD and some UVA. Some are going to say think about Dartmouth and Duke.</p>

<p>If money was no object, you would go to Brown. So, how much more will you have to borrow to go to med school after undergrad?</p>

<p>If your parent’s said to you, all the borrowing for undergrad will be done by you, would Brown still be your first choice?</p>

<p>Would going to Brown impact your parent’s future (retirement)?</p>

<p>It’s highschool all over again because there really are too many people from my school and county who would end up there. Yes, I know that people find their own niche in college and get into their own group, but I really do want that feeling of starting fresh somewhere else, not having whatever reputation I have in hs carry over to college.</p>

<p>I know that CP won’t be as easy as high school, but I feel like I’d get bored of it quickly. That being said I’m in the process of emailing a couple advisors and the like at CP about opportunities and whatnot because I really dont’ want to blow it off like that.</p>

<p>Actually, cheers, lately I’ve been doing the opposite, and really been looking at things from the perspective of “I will bloom where I am planted” after spending my junior year crazy for Brown. </p>

<p>dstark, if my parents said that to me, Brown wouldn’t be the first choice. I’ll still contribute a good deal to my undergraduate costs, but they said that they would be willing to take out loans for me. The retirement question is one I’ve been meaning to ask them and when I’ve brought it up, I’ve gotten a response along the lines of “dont worry about it”</p>

<p>That’s really been the problem I’ve had throughout hs. Trying to find out my family’s financial situation has been hard because my folks - father in particular - think it’s not a concern of mine and I shouldn’t worry about it… when I know that it is and I should. </p>

<p>Maybe I should rephrase the CP easier thing as, it will be easier than the other schools I have applied to, it’s not as rigorous. Much like how my highschool wasn’t as rigorous as some of the others in the county. No I’m not overestimating my abilities, y’all… it’s just an honest appraisal of how hard I see myself working or wanting to work. And I actually do love the campus a lot… the classes - even the top level biology ones - are quite large though, and I do much better when I can interact with a teacher one-on-one in a classroom setting (so smaller classes).</p>

<p>It’s bad when you type without organizing… cuz this thing is totally out of order :P</p>

<p>Thanks guys!</p>

<p>oldolddad - Funny joke. :wink: hardee-har-har! Now what’s this all about???

A car careening out of control? A plane almost off the runway? We’re glad you survived so that you can spend time worrying about college for our kids, with the rest of us! I look forward to hearing your stories of kids who took mega-offers, and your college visit impressions. :)</p>

<p>feng -</p>

<p>I read your entire thread so I already knew what you meant about it being like hs. D1 is at state u with 30,000 students and she still basically hangs with the same people. There are some new people, yes, but they either went to the same hs and she’s met them at college, or they went to a different hs in our town and she met them at college. Everyone knows everyone else from before college. Every time she gets a new bf it turns out I know his mom from somewhere, which drives her crazy. Her sister, D2, took a scholarship 1200 miles away to avoid all that.</p>

<p>I also read in your thread that you don’t like chemistry and don’t even like your research even tho other kids would kill to get your research oppty. D2 went to college thinking she would me premed and now has switched from bioe to meche because (a) she found out she loves machines and physics, and (b) she hates, loathes chemistry and refuses to take even one more day of it, much less a whole year of ochem (obviously she has to finish the semester of what’s rqd for engrg). You might decide to drop premed and switch to something else, so don’t make your college choice dependent on that.</p>

<p>What little I know about Brown, Duke and UVA is that there is a HUGE difference between them socially and intellectually and in the type (not quality) of academics offered. It is Brown vs Duke/UVA, if you know what I mean. You need to think long and hard about what that says about you, even if you don’t actually go to any of those three. Psychologically it is a significant distinction you shouldn’t ignore, imo.</p>

<p>Mercymom, I’m glad you understand the thing about it being like hs :slight_smile: And hehe… I would be a bit “MOOOOOOOOM! grrrr!” if it turned out mi beloved madre always knew my new girlfriend’s family ;]</p>

<p>Hehe… researching and synthesizing radiotracers for detecting Alzheimer’s at NIH is an incredible opportunity. Everyday I am thankful for it because only a handful of highschool seniors get to work with glove boxes and radiation on a daily basis, and because it’s shown me that while research is interesting and if you do something you really like it’ll consume you, it really isn’t my thing. I’m not cut out for it - I need more communication/interaction (plus I have to work for hours upon hours underground without sunlight because the cyclotron weighs so much…and I need sunlight). But I’d still do it in college if only to keep me busy between activities, and because neurosci is still quite fascinating <em>I wouldn’t do any more neuro/radiochemistry though…</em></p>

<p>I - like many other highschoolers - haven’t had opportunities to try out econ/biz in hs, it’s sorta hard. But I think that I should certainly try it out, see if I like it… and if I do, then pursue it. A school like UVA (McIntire is amazing) would really let me change career paths and wouldn’t hurt me at all. (UMCPs biz school isn’t bad either but it’s not 2nd ranked after wharton).</p>

<p>And yup yup. It IS Brown vs Duke/UVA, I know exactly what you mean by that. And I think that my really varied intellectual fetishes and liberalism/activism, and love of all things cute and artsy make Brown a better match for me (I’d be giving up an amazing sports culture though…)</p>

<p>There’s a guy in my lab who graduated from UVA last year. Frat boy. Says that the frat scene was pretty important (bleh) and from the description of his activities and friends… it was sort of … I can’t think of a word so I’ll just say “money”. But UVA echols is an open curric like Brown would be, and UVA sci scholars is freshman research like CP would be… so it’s really taking the good from a couple of my other schools. It would also be more challenging than CP. But all of that and still the culture there would really bother me … eek.</p>

<p>feng, my guess is that it will be Brown PLME vs Duke with $$$ vs UMCD with super $$$$. You need all the stars to line up to get Brown with PLME with $$$. PM berurah to find out about the social side of serious science at Duke.</p>

<p>It’s great that you eliminated research as a career path while you’re in high school. My niece did the same thing–she quit research after a single summer even though it killed her bosses because she was one of the most talented researchers they had–at 18. Her reasons were the same as yours–too QUIET.</p>

<p>She’s just finished med school on the west coast with a MD/Masters in Public Health.</p>

<p>Though she had an oppourtunity to go to H for undergrad, she chose a state school honors program. She loved it. She was a USA Today All American scholar/humanitarian and she found plenty of her people at the state school on the East Coast. She enhanced her experience by taking a full year abroad and a summer in Afirca and a summer in Haiti.</p>

<p>She did Teach America when she graduated and was accepted at H med school but chose a California state school becuase she wanted to remain loyal to state schools–on principal.</p>

<p>If your parents have to take out big loans for you to go to Brown–and you are thinking about med school, you ought to seriously think about blooming at the best school that gives you the best money. </p>

<p>I’m glad to hear that you haven’t been obsessing about Brown… ;)</p>

<p>i apologize for this semi- off-topic semi-rant.</p>

<p>without commenting directly on fengshui’s CP issue (cause i’ve done enough of that in the CP forums, haha), i want to address one simple fact:</p>

<p>i’m a very intelligent person. i took all honors and AP classes in my (public) high school. i got a 34 on the ACT. and i’m having the time of my life in College Park-- being challenged in a GREAT business school, and still having time to do undergrad research, study abroad, HAVE FUN, etc.</p>

<p>it’s really hard for me to read these threads and not be insulted by the bashing of schools like UMD. i turned down Stern (NYU) (ranked 5th, back when i applied) for business school at UMD because i felt like UMD was a better fit for me. i liked it more! who cares about anything else, honestly??? people in college and post-grad have so many better things to do than analyze the US News college rankings.</p>

<p>it’s really ridiculous. i love CC because i love giving advice to students who need help with things, but when i see threads like “should i take the full ride or the ivy league school”, i’m disgusted. i thought the question was “should i take the full ride or the school i like best?” and if they happen to be the same, great. you (or your child) will be happiest at the school where you get the best feeling-- not the school with the highest ranking.</p>

<p>cheers, mercymom,</p>

<p>thanks for the advice and input</p>

<p>Good luck Stuck and let us know what you decide…</p>

<p>“should i take the full ride or the school i like best?” and if they happen to be the same, great. you (or your child) will be happiest at the school where you get the best feeling-- not the school with the highest ranking." </p>

<p>COULDN’T agree with you more!!! It IS, [all other things being equal, including especially the ability to pay full fare], ALL ABOUT FIT, not prestige, as my son has found out this year! Well said.</p>

<p>Congrats lindz, on picking the best fit for you. You are right in doing so. The truth is, none of use can really tell how “good” an education anyone will get at school A vs school B, and I truly believe that a passionate student will go after what they want/need and get it at any school they attend. My nephew is at UMDCP - a very bright kid. And very happy there.</p>

<p>Back to the q about engineering. Yes, I believe drizzit is right-- a lot of regional hiring does happen. Easier for them to recruit on campus. My s is staying in his college town (city) for the second summer in a row for a mech E internship. Both last yrs and this yrs oppties are with big, international companies, so he would, if he is hired by one of them, have an opportunity to go anywhere (hopefully). But for now, the bulk of the internships are regional.</p>

<p>Slightly different topic. I cant find the post right off hand that did a great job of describing my younger s. He is one of those kids who doesnt like to “stand out” or have attention called to him. He will participate in discussions and all that, but he doesn’t want do do something that makes him look “different” or “better”, even if it is beneficial for him. I may not explain this well without accidentally offending someone, but I will do my best.</p>

<p>We have had this "better school/ no money, lesser school/ merit $$ scholarship discussion many times over in our house. He would rather go to a smaller (small to mid-sized), “better” school, where he will not be different, will not be lost in a large crowd, where he can get smaller classes and where everyone is pretty bright and takes their studies seriously than go to what might be considered a slightly “lesser”, perhaps bigger school and go to the honors college. He absolutely detests the idea of getting “preferential” housing, would feel embarassed by getting early registration for classes, special travel funds, etc. I think he’s being silly. Its not like the honors kids where a special uniform or a big red “H” on their shirts or something. But he feels quite strongly about this. He would rather be the middle of the top than the top of the middle. Unfortunately, this means he’ll likely be applying to schools where he’ll be lucky to get in, and it is unlikely any $$ (other than NM, hopefully) will be at issue (if it is a school that offers NM, which is usually a small award, not likely to make a dent in the tuitions we are talking about). He is currently thinking he wants to go premed, and realizes we have a finite “pot” of education dollars set aside. He has mulled this over and has gone back and forth, but keep coming back to wanting the smaller, “better” undergrad experience, realizing it’ll eat up the education dollars. We are expecting him to apply to flagship U as a safety (but again he is avoiding the very well respected honors program). The rest of the schools seem to be ones that will cost us big bucks. He did go look at College of Charleston (was willing to at least look at the Honors program) and disliked it. He’s still got schools like Pomona, CMC, UNC-CH (out of state), Emory, Vandy, Davidson and Rice on his radar screen. Might peek at U of Miami or Tulane as ones that muight offer $$, but he wants a school that has a lot of on-campus housing, and U Miami doesnt. I am still nervous about Tulane… so we’ll see. So, we may not be facing this $$$$ vs “prestige” decision, as I dont know if he’ll be offered any $$ if he focuses on these schools. Thoughts??</p>

<p>As an aside, Cheers, starting salary for engineers is in about the mid 50’s, but unfortunately they plateau quickly. Many engineers make bigger $$ by getting off the basic engineer track. I am sure you know this, as you are likely to interact with many enginers in the courseof your architecture work. But it will take engineers a while to pay off those loans.</p>

<p>My son has been accepted into the Honors Programs of both schools. Both offered him scholarships. It seems rather clear that Maryland has the superior Journalism school but the fact that AU is in DC and has a very politically active student base is appealing to him. The questions we’re wrestling with are (1) how much better is Maryland’s Journalism program and (2) is it enough to offset AU being in DC and being so politically active?</p>

<p>lindz0722: Great post.<br>
I personally don’t think anyone should accept a merit scholarship if he or she feels that it’s not offered from one of his or her top choice schools, or only offered at a school that one would not want to attend. And, yes, the very best scenario would be the full ride at the school you like the best.</p>

<p>jym626: You mentioned UNC-CH as being on your son’s radar screen, as well as his distaste for “honors colleges,” those that set honors students apart. At UNC, honors students are not housed together (although you can ask for an “honors” roommate if you want). 200 freshmen are chosen each year for honors; obviously, those honors students will get to register first for honors classes (but not other classes). However, UNC-CH also allows non-honors students to take honors classes, if space is still available in them. Also, if a student is not chosen for honors in freshman year, he or she can apply in sophomore year, I believe, with a high enough GPA (and I’m not sure what that is). So it’s an excellent program and very inclusive. While some may not like that, UNC’s honors program has certainly been nationally recognized for being both excellent and inclusive. I don’t know much about the other schools on your list, but hope that helps about one of his choices, at least! Here’s the link on it:
<a href=“http://www.honors.unc.edu/honors.html[/url]”>http://www.honors.unc.edu/honors.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Mmm. Lindz: Thing is… I’m honestly not trying to bash UMD at all. Unlike most people I know, I’m not just going to shrug it off because it’s in my backyard. It’s just a feeling of working hard for four years and wanting to reap the rewards of that, and experiencing life elsewhere. And the fact that I’m considering it alongside Brown and Duke and UVA says a lot (I would take UMDCP over JHU or BU any day of the week, no qualms about it). And it’s not really about rankings at all for me. If I cared about rankings, I wouldn’t have taken the time to visit Harvard just to cancel my application afterwards. It really is about where I feel I fit in best. I think it’s great that the school you love is also the one you are attending and it’s also affordable.</p>

<p>FJG: Honestly… I don’t think that UMCP’s distance from DC is so great that it will really affect your S if he chooses to go there. If he’s looking for great guest lecturers and the like, AU might be better… but it’s not like choosing between AU and U of Miami for journalism, where one is hours from the action. But then again I’m just a lowly highschooler ;)</p>

<p>Cheers: thanks for the advice, I’ll do that. And I’ve been looking closely at MD/Masters in Public Health lately!!! Talked to my father and he said that their retirement funds will not be affected by paying for college, and that he’s ready to take out loans because it’s what other people in our family (with similar financial situation and college tuitions) have done and their kids have been successful and paid off the debt. The only concern is the interest rate on the loans. (Part of the reason I’ll still do research at NIH every summer is the 4000$ stipend I will get for doing so…money put towards tuition). He was telling me that he wants me to be in a place where I’ll be happy and motivated to learn, and that he agrees that I’ve worked hard for four years and should spend the next four in a place I really like. Basically… money will obviously be a concern but it is for nearly everybody, but he believes its worth it for all of my experiences. UVA is pretty much out of the picture now… I’d take CP over it. He says to wait on deciding until I revisit Brown and visit Duke, and see where I’d get the best opportunities (DukeEngage, for example) and feel I’d grow the most.</p>

<p>And just a general question: I see everybody here recommending the state school over the top schools, because the state schools offer the same success and academic enrichment and opportunities that top privates do. If that’s the case, why do so many students still end up attending top private schools?</p>

<p>Feng: I definitely understand where you are coming from in terms of wanting your college years to be different from high school. When I was in college, I visited my friends at the state U, and to some degree it was like they hadn’t left HS – they were all hanging out with each other. I’ve heard other stories like that, too. While you can certainly make the effort to find new friends, you run the risk of alienating your old friends. </p>

<p>I believe that somewhere hidden in this thread is a list of six or so points developed by Curmudgeon as to what to consider when making this choice. One of them did ask whether you felt you would be challenged academically at the merit school. If you honestly feel that UMD wouldn’t be challenging academically (and it’s not a rationalization – you really can back it up), that certainly is worth considering when making your decision.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>Thanks! I’ll go thread diving in a bit… cheering for Georgetown and doing some homework right now though. </p>

<p>What did you mean by “and it’s not a rationalization – you really can back it up”? Was it meant as, me needing good evidence, or me already showing that I can back up such a statement?</p>