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<p>Hey guys, I currently live in NY and am in the 100k+> income bracket. I attend a well known Jesuit Prep school. I just visted UNC and loved the school. UVA is my #1 by far but I highly doubt I will get into UVA... Anyways, UNC had much of the same feel as UVA and I also love basketball. I was just wondering if you guys could give me a taste of what you think my chances are applying EA.</p>

<p>ACT: 31 (expecting a 32-33 on September test I destroyed all sections but got a 26 on science...)
GPA: 3.85 </p>

<p>Freshmen
English 1 H: A
Algebra 2 Adv H: B+
Global 1: B+
Biology H: B+
Latin 1: A
Religious Studies 1: A
Intro to computers: A
Intro to music: A</p>

<p>Sophomore Year
English 2 Adv H: B+
Geometry H: A
Global 2 H: A
Chemistry: A
Latin 2 H: B (grrr)
Spanish 1: A
Religioius Studies 2: A</p>

<p>Junior Year
AP english lit and comp: B+
AP US History: A
Trig-log-calc H: A
Physics H: A
Latin 3 H: A
Spainsh 2 H: A
Religious Studies 3: A</p>

<p>Senior Year (anticipated)
AP Lit and Comp: A
AP Calc: A
AP Macro: A
Latin 4 H: A
Engeneering Science H: A
Religious Studies 4: A</p>

<p>Extra curriculars:
I have worked at a local hardware store since 8th grade (for 5 years) for
10hrs+ p/w durirng the school year and 30hrs+ p/w during the summer.
Indoor track: freshmen/junior year
Cross country: Freshmen/sophomore year
Outdoor track: Freshmen/sophomore year
100hrs as a junior community service at local community house</p>

<p>Summer activities:
Freshmen: Went on a NOLS trip for 1month in wyoming/worked
Sophomore: Traveled through Europe for 3weeks/worked
Junior: Worked 35hrs per week
Senior: Traveled through eastern europe</p>

<p>UNC is just as hard to get into OOS as UVA, and will be just as much of a crap shoot.</p>

<p>UNC isn't just as hard to get into OOS as UVA...</p>

<p>With the loopholes that have been closed recently, I would definitely say that it is more difficult to get into UNC OOS than UVA OOS. That said, it's all pretty much a crapshoot. Get you're test scores up and put out some baller essays and you have a shot.</p>

<p>@UVAorBust
actually, UNC's OOS admit rates rival those of the Ivy League. Look it up.</p>

<p>^(to OP) Yes, it is. UNC unlike most (if not all) of the "Public Ivies" has an out of state admissions cap. Only 18% of the incoming students can be OOS, and they recently closed a loophole that allowed OOS athletes to count as in-staters, so there are even few spaces. </p>

<p>To be competitive for UNC, you need to have a 4.0+ weighted GPA (ideally above the 4.47 average). You should increase your ACT score (33 maybe), and you should try to beef up your ECs. Aside from working part time, I don't think any of them are particularly impressive. UNC loves athletes (varsity) and leaders (no leadership ECs, I see), so maybe try to improve in those two areas. </p>

<p>Doing all the above ^^ would put you in the running, but OOS admissions is so competitive it would still be a crapshoot.</p>

<p>If I got a 32 on the act how do you guys feel that fairs in admissions. THe mid 50% isd a 26-31 and when I went on the tour the admissions guy said that the test scores are only slightly higher for OOS.</p>

<p>Also about the EC I've worked 3000 hours at my job.. This is more than anytime other people put into 1 EC.</p>

<p>You'll need to do higher than a 32, imo. A 32 is only a 2130 and it would be better if you were hitting the mid 2200s or greater (which would be an ACT 34) to be a competitive applicant. To put it one way, the top 25% of test scores were either a 31 or above. Since OOS is only 18% of the total, you need to score significantly above 31 to get into that top 18%.</p>

<p>I'm not saying that your EC is bad, but it's a very one note application if that's your only significant EC. There are plenty of OOS and IS applicants who have part-time jobs and they've managed to play varsity sports, be presidents of clubs, or run for student office. You should see if you can explore more opportunities and flesh out your ECs by demonstrating a little more leadership.</p>

<p>This isn't a part time job, working 3hrs after school every day and on the weekends for 10hrs takes away any possiblity for being on a varsity sport unless I wanted to skip practices and meets. I get home at 4 from school (1 hr train ride) and then work till 7...</p>

<p>UNC is need blind, so being $100k+ will neither hurt or help you.</p>

<p>UNC is just as tough, if not tougher, to get into OOS as UVa. You have several thousand applicants applying for 725 slots. There are people who get into Duke that UNC rejects OOS. </p>

<p>Do you know your weighted GPA using the NC scale ( 4.0/5.9/6.0 for regular/honours/ap) This would give us a better idea of how you stack up. Also, raise your ACT score like Artemis has said.</p>

<p>Also, anything less than 40 hrs is by definition, a part-time job, so please don't take offense at Artemis' characterization of it as such. You can put in the number of hours on your EC section of the app, and UNC will see that and make a judgment of it on their own. If you want, write about it for your optional essay.</p>

<p>UNC has a very holistic admissions process. They try to get to know the applicants and determine who will be a good fit. Let your personality shine through in your essays and you have a shot (Note: Nothing is ever certain OOS, and I would say you are a reach.)</p>

<p>Also, whatever you do, don't let on to the fact that you are considering UNC as a "Safety" for UVa. The people in Jackson hall don't particularly like being thought of as a safety school, and because of that, they have been known to defer exceptional EA applicants.</p>

<p>Oh, and apply RD. It allows UNC to see your first semester grades. No one except truly exceptional OOS applicants, and any in-stater with a 4.0+ should apply EA. It only has a higher acceptance rate than RD, because the stronger OOS candidates, and us in-staters apply then.</p>

<p>Tony i'm writing about my job as my primary essay. my gpa on UNC scale is a: wait if I get a b+ that means that it is 3.5/ and what else</p>

<p>The UNC essay topics are listed here: UNC</a> Admissions Blog: Fall 2011 Essay Questions</p>

<p>Unless you have an essay for another school that would work as choice #8, I don't think it fits any of them well. </p>

<p>UNC has two required essays, one 500-word, and one 250-word. Students are allowed to submit an optional essay explaining significant life circumstances that were not covered elsewhere in the application. I think that your job would fit best with the optional essay.</p>

<p>Also, since not all NC public schools have moved to the NCWise augmented scale, it is reported that UNC uses the NCWise standard scale, which doesn't take into account +/-. Basically a B+ is the same as a B is the same as a B-, all are worth 3.0 (without weighting)</p>

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@UVAorBust
actually, UNC's OOS admit rates rival those of the Ivy League. Look it up.

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<p>IMO the Ivy League's applicant pools are more competitive than UNC's (except maybe Cornell).</p>

<p>blue_box</p>

<p>The OOS applicant pool annually rivals that of most Ivies except HYP Additionally, a good number of students turn down HYP each year to accept merit scholarships and/or the Robertson and Morehead at UNC.</p>

<p>Through the years I've seen numerous examples of people being accepted to Brown, Cornell, Columbia, Dartmouth, Penn, and also Duke, while being either rejected or wait listed at UNC.</p>

<p>UVAorBust</p>

<p>OOS admission to UNC is more difficult than admission to both UVA and U Michigan because of the 18% cap on OOS enrollment that is mandated by the NC Legislature. UVA has over 30% OOS and UMich exceeds that.</p>

<p>Tony- so UNC takes all the grades and calculates according to the UNC school scale of no +/-, only only letter grades such as A,B,C,D?</p>

<p>^ Here is the North Carolina Public Schools GPA system: Policy</a> outlining standards to be incorporated into the electronically generated high school transcript</p>

<p>You will note that there are four different ways that grades can be weighted in NC. While the State Board of Education is pushing schools to move toward using the NCWise augmented scale, some schools still use plain letter grades without +/- (Wake and Mecklenburg county are the two biggest counties in NC, and they still use this method.) </p>

<p>Because of this, many have pointed out that it is likely that they just use the NC standard scale. Regardless, the GPA that they report on the common data set is calculated using the procedures outlined in the above document.</p>

<p>EDIT: Regardless of which scale is used to determine GPA, Honours is always worth +1 and AP/ IB is worth +2.</p>

<p>Alright, so if I submitted my transcript, would they use the augmented scale or the scale without +/-'s to calculate my UNC GPA?</p>

<p>Just want to make sure... Is it better to go EA (or the first deadline) as an OOS student if your stats are in the top part of the middle 50%, or wait until the 2nd deadline? S has a 32 ACT, 2110 SAT superscored (CR670, 710 M, 730 W --12 essay), lots of APs -- 5 on more than 1/2 of them 4s. on the others, very invovled in church, capt. of the golf team, good ECs..........</p>

<p>If you need more specifis, let me know.</p>

<p>I kind of wanted to know that question also kmc. I'm applying EA because I really want to know if I'm in.</p>