<p>Many of us have our gear under the seat in front of us and it would not delay exit to pluck it and being it while exiting. Many choose NOT to wear Scott Vest or equivalent as many of us don’t particularly like them.</p>
<p>Still, wouldn’t cell phone, ID/passport, ATM cards, and credit cards fit easily in your pockets, without needing a Scott-E-Vest?</p>
<p>Well for a 10-11 hr flight, I would be wearing my pjs, or at least something very comfortable. Comfortable clothing often has few if any pockets.
Also except for jeans, womens clothing rarely has serviceable pockets and jeans would not be comfortable for a long flight. </p>
<p>I also heard that the overhead bins opened & perhaps the passengers that grabbed their stuff felt they were getting it out of the way of others.</p>
<p>I keep my stuff in a very small backpack purse to have my hands free, so its likely I would have gotten that- I dont think I would have stopped to grab a wheeled case however.</p>
<p>Road warriors wear what is comfortable. I wear nice pants and nice shirt, tiny pockets if any. Nothing fits except a boarding pass. It’s all about the comfort, and I just keep it all in my little bag.</p>
<p>Whatever Korean culture is now, the pilot in command was in the right seat. He was the true boss, though the left seater was acting as such. The instructor would definitely have spoken up, or even taken the airplane, if he realized what was happening.</p>
<p>people are referencing Gladwell ;_;</p>
<p>I have no idea what I’d do if I was in a plane crash like this, other than that I’d probably be in shock, on autopilot (excuse the unintentional pun) and not acting irrationally.</p>
<p>I can absolutely imagine standing up and grabbing my bags for no other reason than that I was completely overwhelmed and that’s what you do when you get off a plane, you grab your bags.</p>
<p>I try to wear a fleece vest with zip pockets on most flights, just to secure gear that I want during flight. It is handy for me and keeps me warm when things get too cool for my comfort.</p>
<p>note to self: Buy one of these vests.</p>
<p>My purse should be by my feet so I would grab that on my way out. My kids would have their backpack on the floor too so I presume they would bring it with them. I mean, it is right there, so you would instinctively pick it up. My H’s computer bag will most likely be inside the overhead bin. He may grab it and while we’re at it, I might as well grab our small and light carry-on luggage. Understand, that this behavior is automatic for us in all flights since we all want to get off the plane as quickly as possible.</p>
<p>There are a lot of human factors that could be at work in this crash. Fatigue, complacency, distraction, lack of teamwork…none of them good. One possible (maybe even probable given the circumstances) distraction could be more cockpit conversation than normal. Since the left seat pilot was inexperienced in the 777 there may have been more “instruction” type discussion occurring than what you’d normally hear, which could distract from hands-on flying.</p>
<p>In any case, human factors may be explanations but not excuses. I’ve flown multiple legs of 15-16 hour durations and my longest flight was nearly 30 hours. As busdriver said, fatigue can absolutely be a killer in those circumstances, but that’s where the crew has to be especially vigilant to back each other up. I’ll be interested to know the extent and content of the cockpit conversation during the approach to the airport.</p>
<p>I’m a panicker by nature so I can just imagine what idiotic things I’d do. I’d be lucky if grabbing my luggage was as nutty as I acted. Plus as much as I fly I always envision a fiery awful crash. Not sure why I even read One Second After because I even irrationally (yes I know it’s nuts) pray no emp is detonated while I’m mid-flight. I sit and nearly hold my breath til I hear the little ding go off and I can pull out my kindle.</p>
<p>Some friends lost their house in the Oakland firestorm in the early 90’s. The mom was out of the house with the two little girls, but dad was home. The fire came up so quickly that there wasn’t time for warnings and an organized departure - he saw the flames coming down the hill. So what did he grab? His brand-new racing bicycle, a tennis racket, the insurance folder (that was smart), and an extra pair of clothes for one of his daughters. That’s it - everything else was lost. I bet that’s pretty similar to what I’d do too.</p>
<p>^ That’s why we keep our homeowners insurance policy at my H’s office.</p>
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<p>In those hills, you get down the hill quite quickly on a bicycle (i.e. you could easily outrun the advancing fire). Getting down out of the hills at 30-40mph on a bicycle would be a lot faster than on foot.</p>
<p>The issue isn’t having the time to grab a carry on, be it purse, laptop bag, roller bag, but that doing so increases greatly the risk of injury to yourself and others when you are going down that slide. </p>
<p>I know people who have been injured on the evacuation tests, and they’re following the rules. (I signed up for one of the tests, but couldn’t be away from my job for the day.)
These are rules I follow: 1) Wear cotton if at all possible & never, ever hose or tights when flying and 2) Keep ID securely in my pocket. Nylon melts in heat and if I’m unconscious (or worse) EMS can figure out who I am.</p>
<p>Good point. But he put the bike on top of his car and drove out. His wife wished he had grabbed the photo albums, but oh well :-). I think in these circumstances, many of us think we’re thinking more clearly than we really are.</p>
<p>Question for those ‘in the know’:</p>
<p>Where would the pilots be kept at this point? I’m assuming they’re not hanging out whereever doing whatever? Is there any effort to keep them separated? Would they be on a suicide watch? I say this latter as a Korean, knowing full well that at least for those pilots in the cockpit, their life is effectively over. If they have marriage-able daughters, they can kiss that goodbye, at least in Korea.</p>
<p>I realize that that pales in comparison to what happened to many in the airplane. Just curious as to what the procedures are when there is real question of responsibility (as opposed to the Hudson River landing).</p>
<p>Having grown up in a Boeing family and married into one, we were always aware of what could go wrong and what to do if it did (My FIL nearly didn’t let us get on the plane for our Hawaii honeymoon because the equipment was McDonald-Douglas. As a chief engineer at Boeing, he knew all about M-D cargo door problems)
I know several people who participated in emergency drills (EK, did I see you there back in 6th grade?). Friction on the slides can cause burns. ( the old hint to not wear pantyhose seems archaic). Cotton or sturdy synthetics on your bottom half. Jump, don’t step out onto the slide, be ready to roll forward and get out of the way at the bottom. Have your shoes on during pre landing (although after watching CastAway, taking my shoes off at all makes me nervous.
In an emergency, don’t don’t don’t go for your carry-on. The slides aren’t designed for that and it might delay you enough to kill you or the person after you. Lives are more important than your stuff.</p>
<p>i would suspect the pilots are in a hotel somewhere, kept away from the press (that is, if they aren’t hospitalized). I would hope their company and their union, if they have one, is looking out for them. That would be the case for US airline pilots. I don’t know about the suicide watch, that wouldn’t be normal over here. I’m sure their marriage-able daughters will still have prospects, at least in other countries (I have two sons available in a few years myself). If this was a different country, they might be put in jail, even before the accident report was finished…so I guess they are lucky they are here.</p>
<p>Apparently this kind of constant information release from the NTSB is unprecedented after an aircraft accident. And probably a really bad idea, because everyone and their mother (I’m guilty too, obviously) is speculating and coming to conclusions about the cause of the accident, while only having little bits and pieces of the whole. So many things could be incorrect, and this is way too early for any accurate analysis. They need the entire picture, and will get there eventually. But it is really odd that they are revealing as much information as they seem to be getting, they should not be doing that. There have been so many accidents that appeared one way at first, but ended up with completely different conclusions after all the data was in.</p>